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Title: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gabanus family on December 28, 2016, 04:02:01 PM
The tutorials we currently have are well done, but incomplete on many cases and outdated on others and it's time to make a new one. I'll try to summarize the discussions within this first post to keep an updated perspective as we work towards creating a new one.

Outline of the tutorial:
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Victor C on December 28, 2016, 04:23:45 PM
The tutorials we currently have are well done, but incomplete on many cases and outdated on others and it's time to make a new one. I'll try to summarize the discussions within this first post to keep an updated perspective as we work towards creating a new one.

Outline of the tutorial:

First thing is first, what is possibly to simply reuse, and what is necessary to replace? Reusing certain things can save time and effort and can then that effort and time can be used to focus on what we need.

One of the things I noticed is that voice in the tutorial is not exactly friendly. It's more nuetral with a hint of happiness. (Not the audio voice, as in, the way it sounds when read) We want our new players to feel welcomed and know that we are indeed a nice community and that we welcome them with open arms.

Another thing to take into consideration is that we want to come out tutorial participants interested, this is an important part of the text structure and mood in writing.


We need to discuss what needs to come first as well, in case the people do not finish the tutorial. As well as include information about estates, greetings, turn change, recruitment, hierarchy, and realm info.

The tutorial should be limited to where they have enough information to play with not many questions after.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gabanus family on December 28, 2016, 04:27:35 PM
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on December 28, 2016, 04:47:29 PM
Just for the record because many people did not know there were tutorials:

http://battlemaster.org/basics.php (http://battlemaster.org/basics.php)

On this page 2 tutorials can be found. Written by different persons and on different times.

http://battlemaster.org/tutorial-1/ (http://battlemaster.org/tutorial-1/)
http://battlemaster.org/tutorial-2/ (http://battlemaster.org/tutorial-2/)
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on December 28, 2016, 06:37:17 PM
So myself I was thinking of an outline as something like this:

1) General explanation of BM, turn change, hyarchie, battle/war focused
2) Explanation of the left menu, part by part

...

Since we'll want to have a tutorial with fancy looking screenshots and all, I think we would need to rethink your first part to more briefly explain what BM is about so we can show them with screen shots as well.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Zakilevo on December 29, 2016, 05:11:45 AM
The problem is this is a text based game meaning screenshots can't be fancy looking. It will never be. What kind of fancy screenshots can there be when it will also be full of texts?
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Zaros on December 29, 2016, 09:50:03 AM
An advy tutorial is lacking.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gabanus family on December 29, 2016, 12:00:28 PM
An advy tutorial is lacking.

If you wish to write the outline for one, be my guest, but I'm afraid my knowledge of the advy game is far too lacking to do so. Therefore I'll focus my efforts here on improving and updating the 'normal' tutorial.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Zaros on December 29, 2016, 01:35:52 PM
How should I go about making an advy tutorial?
If you wish to write the outline for one, be my guest, but I'm afraid my knowledge of the advy game is far too lacking to do so. Therefore I'll focus my efforts here on improving and updating the 'normal' tutorial.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gabanus family on December 29, 2016, 02:54:47 PM
How should I go about making an advy tutorial?

Step one would be similar as I did above. Outline what information is crucial to understand it and order that information. Better not include every single detail, but rather the core, what's needed to understand when you wish to play it.

Once that's done, we can see how to turn that into a tutorial of some kind.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on December 30, 2016, 09:49:41 AM
This thread was created to have a little traction on this topic and really configure the tutorial.

Please have a look at the two existing tutorials. The updated ones can be similar or a totally new concept.

What we need to do first, as Gabanus posted, is an outline of what we will be showing/telling. We need to agree on this that all the basics are in here and remove any details that are not needed in a basic tutorial. The same can be done for an adventurer. But know that the adventurer game is only available for players who already play for 30 days. It's also less appealing for new players (hence the waiting period) because it might just turn their interest in the game off. It's more of a sidetrack for once you got the hang of the game.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: JeVondair on December 30, 2016, 07:20:08 PM
This is what I send to all the new players in Xavax to help them find their feet
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Greater_Xavax/Welcome (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Greater_Xavax/Welcome)
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Zaros on December 31, 2016, 04:08:53 AM
This is what I send to all the new players in Xavax to help them find their feet
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Greater_Xavax/Welcome (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Greater_Xavax/Welcome)
That's pretty useful.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on December 31, 2016, 11:16:37 AM
Well we should all helpl together and make something useful. Maybe Jevondair can ask the new players in Xavax if they have even read the tutorials and if so, what they thought about it? What they lack?

I'm also in favour of sending the new players a message (to their first character perhaps, or just a popup on their userdetails screen) with the links to the tutorials. Right now, they're pretty hidden maybe.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on February 26, 2017, 09:33:15 PM
Maybe someone with a bit of spare time could just create something?

At this moment, I don't feel like I know what new players are searching for.

Any takers?
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: JDodger on March 09, 2017, 01:55:24 AM
It should be a basic play guide that scales with the experience of the player. "Heres how to be a Knight," "heres how to be a Lord," "a marshal," etc
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on March 09, 2017, 08:58:43 AM
It should be a basic play guide that scales with the experience of the player. "Heres how to be a Knight," "heres how to be a Lord," "a marshal," etc

Well, this is what we have now, but severely outdated:


Would you use a similar layout/approach and just enhance it with up to date screenshots and information, or go for an entirely different approach?

I think it's best to hear from inexperienced players in your realms to hear what would really be helpful.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on March 20, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
I've tried contacting every new player in the realms I play in, but only like 2 of them reacted. And they did not really use the Tutorial.

Anyone else who knows of people with different experiences?
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: JDodger on March 21, 2017, 04:39:39 PM
I wouldnt use that either. Too slow too much extraneous detail. Ill try to put together an opening chapter as a sample of how id build it
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on March 21, 2017, 07:41:32 PM
I wouldnt use that either. Too slow too much extraneous detail. Ill try to put together an opening chapter as a sample of how id build it

That'd be great, thanks.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gildre on April 26, 2017, 09:03:31 PM
Sooooo I signed up for MandF a while ago, and watched the video tutorial. Then I thought, "Why do we not have a video tutorial for BattleMaster?" and so I decided to screen capture the creation of a character and how to understand the basic system of the game. I made a throwaway account (I apologize for this, the character I made I deleted immediately after, and I will delete the account if we like the video idea/don't need to change it. The account will not be used for anything else).

I basically just made a character, and then went through the menus one by one and explained the basics of what goes on. I figured that would be a good way to ensure all the general stuff is covered. I figure a video from YouTube could just be embedded somewhere on the site that is accessible for new players. Maybe we could add a tutorial tab on the family page above "Wiki" or something? Embed a video, have helpful links, etc...?

Anyways, tell me what you guys think. The video is a little longer than I think I want (20 min) but hit me with your feedback. I could always make a bunch of shorter videos (i.e. one for Messages, one for Information, etc...)

https://youtu.be/eVzFrasoK2k (https://youtu.be/eVzFrasoK2k)
Hit me with your feedback!
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on April 27, 2017, 09:57:02 AM
Hi Gildre, this looks awesome! I love the idea.

I'd even put it up like this, already looks great. In case we want to finetune it:

General Remarks:

1) First remark, VERY GOOD IDEA. I like the idea of video tutorial.
2) I would definitely cut it up in pieces. That way if certain pages/functionality get an overhaul or look different in a month or 2, we can easily remake the video.
3) Did you create a new account on live? Let's be careful with that. We have a test server where we could actually make this happen without actually creating new accounts on the live server.
4) Good voice!


Content remarks:

Character Creation:

5) Age of character - this is your starting age. It influences whether you start a young inexperienced (read: basic to no skills), a moderate or an older char (already has decent skills). Your character ages over time. But at this moment, age does not have any effects on further playing the game, it's mainly role playing aspect.

6) Unit type/name - Units come and go. These are the troops you command. If you go into battle, they can get killed and your can recruit a totally new type of unit and name them differently. It's not something permanent.

7) Continents - Show the different maps? Visualisation is often best way to get to know things, no?

General Layout of the website:

8) I'd actually start off with explaining that left is the navigation bar with the different menu items you will explain. Below is the status bar with your char name, hours/gold, region you're in and unit information. Then explain the character page where you get an overview of all this information in the page itself (when clicking your character or unit name).

Messages tab:

9) If we cut it into parts (menu items), we can be more elaborate on the options you have in sending messages (army, hierarchy, rulers, government,..)

10) Show off the preview button?

Information tab:

11) If we split up videos, we can again be more elaborate on this. Like saying bulletins are good to read when starting. See continent maps, where we are etc.

Politics tab:

12) Short, might be good for a tutorial.

Travel tab:

13) Yes, it's a turn based game. Explain when turns are run? (6am/6pm CEST time)

Actions tab:

14) More elaborate on what classes there are? Could be done if we decide to split into multiple videos.

Orders tab:

15) Because we are travelling, there's little we can do. Show this before we are travelling? Again, if we split this up, we can set up scenarios so we can explain the options we want.

Status page:

16) As said, I would move this up front, before we explain much else. Otherwise explained very well.

New Messages section:

17) Note that you can also simply click the (1) next to 'Messages' which will direct you towards the new messages instead of going to the Messages page first :-)



18) I'd also explain the mentoring forum.

Otherwise I'm very excited about this project. If we can finetune this and set up some more clear scenarios where we can explain the options we want, that would be great.

I'd even set this up already somewhere, next to the tutorials so it's already available. I'm looking at Vita & Delvin for that.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gildre on April 27, 2017, 01:33:18 PM
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17) Note that you can also simply click the (1) next to 'Messages' which will direct you towards the new messages instead of going to the Messages page first :-)

I straight up did not know that haha! Sending you a PM now.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Anaris on April 27, 2017, 01:51:11 PM
For the purposes of building a tutorial, I have absolutely no problem with someone creating a new account on live, provided they a) contact me about it first, and b) either delete the account once the tutorial is done, or give me the login info so I can make it a quasi-official "tutorial account" that we can later mess around with to create more tutorial content.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gildre on April 27, 2017, 07:21:06 PM
Well, I completely apologize and hope you will let rule 1 slide lol.

I will message you and Wimpie the login details.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: JeVondair on April 27, 2017, 08:29:30 PM
I really can't praise this effort enough
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gildre on May 01, 2017, 04:10:29 PM
Character Creation: https://youtu.be/bBeXDxZMEeU (https://youtu.be/bBeXDxZMEeU)

I also have the Messages one uploaded. Can someone please check them out? Tell me if the audio is abysmally quiet. When I watch them on YouTube they are quiet as hell. I just want to make sure I am not crazy.

I am speaking pretty loud into the mic, so I gotta figure out what is up with this. Pretty sure I might have to remake these vids. They didn't seem as quiet on VLC though... I dunno.

EDIT: I just did some reading and apparently YouTube "normalizes" volume, and I just have to wait a bit for it to be done. This actually kind of makes sense, since I have no trouble hearing that first video I did a week or so back. That one is probably normalized and these ones are pending or something. Still hit me with feedback though!

EDIT 2: I just made the Information video with my gaming headset that has a mic. Came up super loud on VLC, we will see how it uploads. If the other videos don't get louder, I will edit them to boost the volume and re-upload them.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on May 01, 2017, 05:18:06 PM
This is very very quiet to me. Can't even hear if on my laptop with 100% sound etc. Only when I put my ear next to the speaker, I hear your voice.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gildre on May 01, 2017, 05:38:18 PM
Information: https://youtu.be/ijClqgpP4Wk (https://youtu.be/ijClqgpP4Wk)

I did this one with the headset and it is way louder. I will try to edit the volume up on the other vids, if not I will have to remake them with the headset. I just had to pick up my sick kid from school though so my quiet day off just got loud lol. I will have to continue on the project another day.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on May 02, 2017, 09:24:36 AM
I like it! Volume is definitely good on this one.

Content for Character creation one is also good by the way. I listened with my earphones and it was do-able if not too many noise around me & you put your volume at 100%.

Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gildre on May 02, 2017, 01:40:13 PM
Ok great, I will see if I can edit the sound up on the other ones, if not I will re-record the same way.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on May 31, 2017, 09:33:48 AM
Gildre,

I loved your video tutorials. I'm sure you're busy and didn't think of making or editing more.

But just to re-spark this discussion, any progress on this?

Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gildre on June 01, 2017, 05:07:01 AM
Awww dang it is the map fiasco all over again! Haha yes I fully intend to redo the quiet videos and complete the ones that aren't done. I am back in Canada now though, and a house with two kids and a wife is not a quiet atmosphere for making video tutorials haha!

I promise I will work on them when I get chances though and keep progress posted here!
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on June 01, 2017, 09:19:40 AM
Not a problem, do it at your own pace  :)

Let me know if I can help you with anything.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gabanus family on August 28, 2017, 05:54:56 PM
Amazing work Gildre, youtube videos are a great idea.

The first and main critique I would have however is that the videos are still too long. Personally I'd say around 3 to 5 min videos max.

BM by definition is way too much info and there's too much to do, I know, but for tutorials we should stick to minimal info that people need to know to play. I'm looking at the information video atm and we mention and explain every different thing, but for things like 'realm list' you can just say: "this shows a bunch of information on realms and you can view them per realm, which includes their income roughly, who are their government members and where their capital is etc" and then not click on it, but just go to the next....

Or even more extreme, say: "Most of these speak for themselves and you can just click on them to get some more info from them, but there are a few which you'll use more often and I'll go into them a bit deeper:...."

I see that this topic has died out a little bit, but Wimpie and me are pulling it back to the forefront and gonna work on it. Do you have the time for new videos, or otherwise mind if we try to make a few ourselves?
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gabanus family on August 30, 2017, 08:46:12 PM
As a draft of what to mention and what not in the video's, I was thinking of this:

Remarks as I go through the process of creating a new account:
-        Why not go directly to noble creation page, rather than to family overview

-        Start with explanation of BM: Turn based RPG in medieval setting, focused on interacting with the noblemen and enjoy the rise, struggles and joys of being a noblemen.

Step 1) Account creation is rather straight forward

Step 2) Noble creation
- Most is self explanatory
        - Age, older does give you a little bit of extra skills, but that’s it. Pick what’s best for your RP
        - Continent explanation is pretty good, maybe say that if you don’t like it, you can always pause and try a different continent. People on the chat will generally be able to help you if you want.

Step 3) Play the noble:
- You first see a bunch of letters
                              - explain difference between Orders, reports etc
               - Explain left menu, that it’s basically 99% of what you’ll use and it gives you access to everything
- Messages: Most important, as interaction is by far the most important aspect of the game.
                              - Left details who you’re sending your message to. You’ll be using all/some of your realm mates the most by far, as you can pick one, or several of the nobles in your realm if you want to engage
                                privately as well.
- Right offers an overview of the messages you’ve had and sent, if you want to look at them again.  Add what happens when you have a new message.
- Information: Shows all kinds of info, most of it is just fun to go through and look at, and I recommend doing that if you want and have the time, but you don’t have to do it now, it’s a lot of info.
                              - Explain in detail: Political/dynamic map; Diplomatic relations; the bulletins; realm laws, paraphernalia overview, scribe notes and military advisor
Politics: Nothing you should be touching yet, assuming you chose a good estate. This will be discussed in a more advanced tutorial.
Travel: Super important, it’s your way of moving from region through region. If you’ve looked at the map before, you might get an idea of where you want to go, but you can only travel to one region further away, even if you have the hours for 2 regions. Once your liege appoints you to an army, your Marshal should normally tell you where to go if there is war.
               - Explain misdirect and delay arrival
Actions: Basically everything you can do with the character himself beyond the things previously.
               - Small tip: The options that end in … mean you won’t do it right away, but get another choice menu. The ones without … go into effect right away (beware of the missclick).
               - Some actions take hours, (sometimes even without reporting it, like visiting family, but of course that takes time right), try them out, but you won’t be using most of them just yet. Changing classes, emigrating, training at the academy, that’s usually stuff for later down the road, so don’t worry about it for now.
-        Guildhouses and Temples however might be interesting. Quick note, no character can be an atheist, but you also don’t have to follow an existing religion. You’ll just have your local deities or what not. But you can always write religions you come across to see what they’re about.  They have to have a temple in the region you’re at to see them, the same for guilds. Guilds have so many purposes, if you want to learn more, click on it, look at the description and you can always write to the elders. Joining often doesn’t cost that much, and you can always leave.

Orders: These are all the things you can do with your new unit.
-        Settings: How they behave on the battle field, your marshal should give you these, so you fight in the same formation as the others.

-        Field camp generally should be avoided, it doesn’t do much but waste your hours and training takes valuable time also, which you often need for traveling, so watch out with those 2.

-        Then there are a bunch of stuff you can’t do just yet, for different reasons which are explained behind each of them. A general practice, don’t loot or Hang rebels unless ordered as they can have quite some nasty consequences.

-        Paraphernalia is very important, as a typical guideline I often have 1 healer per 25 men and for infantry and cavalry, uhu you can ride horses later on, 1 banner per 20 men or so.  Scouts are always handy, but you can’t get those in cities. The rest are very specific things, but feel free to just try everything out.

Family – get back to your overview (in case you want to make a second character and get overloaded with even more info!)
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on August 30, 2017, 10:15:43 PM
Very nice! My comments:

Information:
 - paraphernalia overview not so important imo, refer to it below.
 - Realms and Regions is pretty important page as well, seeing realm info and region info on detailed pages
Travel:
 - use routefinder to calculate a route from point A to B which can be across the entire realm
 - Seazones if you're on testing island
Orders:
 - Not sure why you would explain field camp
 - Paraphernalia: I'd rather explain that these can be recruited from any region in the realm given they have the house built (and explain an overview is in information tab) Not go into detail how much you need of what
 - Unit can only be recruited/added to in capital
 - Explain scouting and how to do/share it
General:
 - Explain the footer and the shortcuts from there.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gabanus family on August 31, 2017, 02:40:33 PM
Thanks, that's really helpful!

- Paraphernalia overview shows where you can get what. Typically what I'd see happening is: Marshal: "Yeah get some banners and some scouts and some healers alright" ; New Player: "Sure, but where can I buy those? I have banners and healers, but don't see scouts?"

- Realm and Region also for beginning players? The stats are nice, but are they needed to actually play the game properly? Even I hardly ever look at them myself

- Routefinder, yup as well as Seazones, agree!

- Field camp, cause it's useless but you generally click on it when you're new just to see what it does, but I could leave it out :p

- Paraphernalia, makes sense

- Capitol recruitment, should definately add that

- Scouting should indeed also be added

- As well as the footer, agree 100%
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Antonine on August 31, 2017, 03:01:01 PM
On this topic, it might be worth pillaging some of the player written guides for content. For instance: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Bluthammer_Family/Mentorship_Book
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Antonine on August 31, 2017, 03:09:02 PM
Also see: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Mentoring
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gabanus family on August 31, 2017, 04:11:25 PM
Also see: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Mentoring

Thanks! I'll take a look. Personally I also would prefer to see the old mentor system return, if not slightly altered.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on August 31, 2017, 04:46:38 PM
Thanks, that's really helpful!

- Paraphernalia overview shows where you can get what. Typically what I'd see happening is: Marshal: "Yeah get some banners and some scouts and some healers alright" ; New Player: "Sure, but where can I buy those? I have banners and healers, but don't see scouts?"

- Realm and Region also for beginning players? The stats are nice, but are they needed to actually play the game properly? Even I hardly ever look at them myself

I know what the paraphernalia overview is, I made it :-D But okay if you feel that way. It'd be the first I'd leave out if it becomes too long though.

Realm & Regions to see:
I find that pretty helpful things  :)
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Vita` on August 31, 2017, 05:59:22 PM
Thanks! I'll take a look. Personally I also would prefer to see the old mentor system return, if not slightly altered.
That's one of those longstanding TODO projects. It was on my agenda and then life happened.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gabanus family on October 17, 2017, 04:48:56 PM
Alright here's the second attempt of making the video. Based on the feedback I received I elaborated more on several parts, which makes the video 5 mins and would require a second video of most likely 5 minutes to explain the rest of the 'basics'.

Check video here:
https://youtu.be/r0MvnUOCM_8 (https://youtu.be/r0MvnUOCM_8)

There are a few questions I have and particularly want feedback on:

1) Tone of voice, is it fine, would you generally prefer a more enthousiastic approach, or a more serious one than this?

2) Is the video too long, or fine?

3) Are there things you think that shouldn't have been mentioned in video?

4) Are there things you think should definately be added to this video?

I'm Dutch, so don't be scared to give some honest and even harsh sounding feedback as long as it's with good intentions  ;)
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on October 17, 2017, 07:11:15 PM
Love it!

The only thing I would have added is that you could check the political map of each continent when you're selecting a continent. That might give the player an idea of what it looks like.

But it's not worth shooting the video over for. These are things they can read by themselves whenever they create a char.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on October 19, 2017, 09:08:03 AM
Anyone else with feedback?
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gabanus family on November 05, 2017, 12:15:53 PM
Update! Made the second part as well, so here are both. Would love some feedback:


Part 1] https://youtu.be/r0MvnUOCM_8

Part 2] https://youtu.be/Jf5r-fLhpgk
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on November 05, 2017, 12:55:25 PM
I think they're good to include them on the current tutorial pages.

As well as on the new character joining page.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gabanus family on November 05, 2017, 04:25:59 PM
I think they're good to include them on the current tutorial pages.

As well as on the new character joining page.

I've had two players comment the same to me in BM itself. So far no other feedback.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on November 08, 2017, 08:42:53 AM
It would be good to have some other seasoned players give their feedback on this.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gabanus family on November 08, 2017, 09:09:19 AM
I got some reactions, but not that many, but do certainly appreciate them  :)

Out-of-Character from Ricard De'Verci   (3 days, 5 hours ago)
Good work with those tutorials, nice, short and to the point without missing any of the major aspects of the game!

Jeff O'Connor

Out-of-Character from Dragomir Aurelius   (2 days, 17 hours ago)
Great videos man!

Alex Rocheleau

Out-of-Character from Dragomir Aurelius   (2 days, 15 hours ago)
I wouldn't change anything at all but perhaps do the same exact thing a few more times. Repetition will help perfect the end result.

Alex Rocheleau

Out-of-Character from Lavitz Gildre   (3 days, 6 hours ago)
Thanks!

I have your message flagged on the EC. Definitely going to check them out when I have a few moments to sit down with my computer.

Tristan Barkwell

Out-of-Character from Rania Eastersand JeVondair   (1 day, 11 hours ago)
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Also, good job on those vids. idk if anyone has thanked you for the effort you put in, but I certainly appreciate it !!

JeVondair
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Anderfhstim on November 08, 2017, 09:22:33 AM
Good stuff. I hope you will make more videos.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gabanus family on November 08, 2017, 02:09:14 PM
Good stuff. I hope you will make more videos.

Thanks, if Delvin and Vita agree with actually using these I will probably make a few more, so we get some more content we can use to create an idea for new players what BM is about.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Andrew on November 16, 2017, 12:18:18 PM
My only complaint is that the audio is a bit quieter than I'd prefer. I usually have to turn up my audio when watching anime or netflix, not for YouTube.

Other than that, now that I rewatch the second one, I'd recommend presenting the turn system up front as one of the first things you cover, given how integral it is to the game (moreso than messages even!) You even say "first things first" when talking about it, in the second video, :P
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gabanus family on November 16, 2017, 02:09:06 PM
My only complaint is that the audio is a bit quieter than I'd prefer. I usually have to turn up my audio when watching anime or netflix, not for YouTube.
I know, and I'll be trying out your tip for the next ones if they come. Then after a while I might redo these again as well.

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Other than that, now that I rewatch the second one, I'd recommend presenting the turn system up front as one of the first things you cover, given how integral it is to the game (moreso than messages even!) You even say "first things first" when talking about it, in the second video, :P

I had thought of that, but my reasoning for not doing so is because the first video is about creating a char and introducing yourself, turns aren't needed yet for that part. Part 2 was about how the game actually works, hence I only put it in there.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Anaris on November 16, 2017, 08:07:11 PM
Sorry for the delay; I have now (finally!) watched these.

They look good, and I'll be happy to make them available to all players from in-game pages.

I do have a few of small recommendations if you do end up redoing these. First of all, in the first video, I think it would be helpful if you demonstrated the Preview functionality before simply sending the letter. Second of all, in the second video, it would be better to click on the Bounty Board, which should be accessible to the new character, rather than Change Class, which just gives an error message. Also, in the earlier part of the second video, I think it would be worthwhile to emphasize that when you tell your character to travel, you will a) not actually go anywhere until turn change, and b) only arrive if you have enough hours left over in your time pool when the turn change comes (which will probably necessitate a brief explanation of how spending hours on immediate actions works).

As they are, though, they're good.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Gabanus family on November 17, 2017, 11:08:27 AM
Thanks.

On the matter of preview message, that's a good point, but should I then also mention that if the letter is too long, you'll lose part of your letter? (Even preview function just cuts it off in both sections).

Bountry board is not available to all nobles as it depends on the region, but I agree I should pick something that actually works. It was just that this one went so welland I didn't have the time to do another one.

I'm not sure anymore what I said about spending hours so will have to check on this one.

Where should I send the files to of the videos?
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Wimpie on November 17, 2017, 01:06:33 PM
I believe we should have BM have its own Youtube channel (other videos about continent history etc were created from Tom's youtube channel). Videos could be uploaded there.

For me, that would be the most convenient. Also for spreading/social media purposes.

But I have no idea about how to work with Youtube channels, really. Would need to look into that. If anyone knows, let me know.
Title: Re: Tutorial - creating a new and updated one for beginning players
Post by: Anaris on November 17, 2017, 07:35:51 PM
Where should I send the files to of the videos?

The easiest might be to share them through Google Drive with me (delvin.anaris@gmail.com). If that doesn't work for you, let me know in PM and I can get you other transfer methods.