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BattleMaster => Locals => East Island => Topic started by: Gildre on April 22, 2017, 05:41:20 PM
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It has been forever, from what I recall, since the last time a tournament was held on the EC. I thought it would be a great excuse to have one for Gilth's "funeral games". I was kind of surprised that no one was willing. After all, his family is from Aix and he spent a lot of his young life fighting for Perdan in the Northern War. He was a founding member of Vix Tiramora. With those sorts of histories, I thought it would go down for sure. The Gildre family would be terribly insulted! lol
I am just curious as to the rejection? Surely the war will still be there in a week, no? Enemies could gather and compete, do some role playing (the gravitational force of the game, in case people have forgotten...), and do some trash talking. A couple people win glory for their realms, and we can carry on with the war after.
I just like to shake things up. Get people jazzed about the game again. Mix it up with players they don't interact with often. That is why we are all here, no?
I dunno. Maybe I am just crazy.
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You think anyone cares about history :(
Nope, we're just playing a big game of risk with some medieval window dressing. Apparently. Gilth was a dork but he was Godric's favourite dork to prod. He won't say he misses him but he has definitely lost a worthy man to fight alongside. :'(
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No one contacted Perdan regarding hosting these games
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I contacted Selenia about Gildre's death, but got no reply.
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Strange. You both have my sincere apologies as a player!
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Yeah no word about hosting a tournament in Vix..
So either it was not offered to Vix. Or either our ruler hasn't told us anything about it.
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Sorry guys, that was on me. I started a new job this week and am still adjusting. My logon's have gone down. In fact, for the first time ever, I lost a position due to inactivity. I was stunned. And bc GX is so high-volume, chugging through my messages has taken a while. Officially, Selenia was in mourning and withdrew from court for it.
In any case, im back now and trying to make up for it. I would love to host funeral rights for Gilth, he was a big deal in Xavax, but would there be any real interest in doing so?
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Sorry guys, that was on me. I started a new job this week and am still adjusting. My logon's have gone down. In fact, for the first time ever, I lost a position due to inactivity. I was stunned. And bc GX is so high-volume, chugging through my messages has taken a while. Officially, Selenia was in mourning and withdrew from court for it.
In any case, im back now and trying to make up for it. I would love to host funeral rights for Gilth, he was a big deal in Xavax, but would there be any real interest in doing so?
Not a problem at all. We've all been through it. And to be honest, I don't have Jeames be very active right now either.
From my personal players view (and Jeames view), he would support a tournament in Gildre's honour. I can't speak for the rest of Vix.
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The only good Xavax is a dead Xavax, so of course Perdan would be honored to attend such an event.
jk 8)
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Haha savage AF!!
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8) 8) 8)
if you want rp.... rp! your leaders are busy dealing with me and my homies 8)
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dealing with in the sense of trying to cope with our awesome power, certainly not in the other sense that phrase might be taken in
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As a new member of the East Continent, I'd be psyched to see a tournament! A few great memorial messages about Gilth flew around Vix after his death, so it makes me think there'd be an appetite, at the very least from those who knew him
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As a new member of the East Continent, I'd be psyched to see a tournament! A few great memorial messages about Gilth flew around Vix after his death, so it makes me think there'd be an appetite, at the very least from those who knew him
Totes, Gilth was awesome. Both as an ally and as an enemy.
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Im glad to know his character was so respected. Ok, we'll do it. GX just needs another tax day to get our funds up. Will make an announcement to the rulers later.
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I really would love to do this, but its just gonna have to be tabled for a while as we figure out if Caligus will recover from the suckerpunch they just got.
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I wouldn't really call it a suckerpunch, they've had it coming for a while now.
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8)
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It was good, I'll give that to you. Like watching the team i hate make a helluva play at the superbowl.
How old is Caligus?
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How old is Caligus?
On the plus side - it's not gonna get any older... :D
Sorry, I had to.
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How old is Caligus?
One of the last three original realms: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Original_Realms_Project
On the plus side - it's not gonna get any older... :D
If you're saying its dead, its not over till the fat lady sings. For the last year or two, its been possible for a regionless realm to come back to life, so long as it has a ruler. But its certainly not a good sign...
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get it life support stat Vita!
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get it life support stat Vita!
Or at least a general that does not have his head rooted firmly in his nethers. Alarin's screwed up so spectacularly that everyone in GX has been thinking he was a deliberate traitor. But Caligus is so rooted to their own Caligusness...
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I've long wished Caligus's demise, for their long history of opportunism and backstabbing. I'm just disappointed to not be responsible for it.
Not sure what I could do to give any realm life support, considering I'm not playing.
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Castillo ::)
just another general that could be good if hed listen to someone that knows something
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Castillo ::)
just another general that could be good if hed listen to someone that knows something
Listening... That's not generally what generals are best at.
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TBH I'm not sure why Caligus declared for this war anyway. Xavax is pretty stuck where they are and aren't worth losing so many regions for.
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It's actually a long story.
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It was for fun. :)
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A long, fun, story.
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ew...
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We had some cultural symmetry with the Xavax that we never had with our long time and supposed allies in the west. Plus, it made for a fun story and the RP was great. I'm only sorry to have lost my character to the conflict. Worth it.
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I can hold a Tournament in Domus if you'd like?
Eehheheheh ;D
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Savage AF lol
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Just wanted to spark this discussion back up - the time is never going to be perfect, of course, but I for one think it is worth setting war aside for a moment to get our tourney on
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I can hold a Tournament in Domus if you'd like?
Eehheheheh ;D
Yes, all realms are invited aye? :)
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Yes, all realms are invited aye? :)
I don't see how I could exclude certain realms from attending :o
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After this coming battle with Sirion and the north to try to reclaim Domus (Caligus still hasn't moved their capital so they must be amassing to try to TO the region back?!) maybe we can hold a referendum in Vix Tiramora to hold a tournament and temporarily halt all war efforts for a week.
Although I doubt some realms will abide by this week of peace ::) ???
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I don't see how I could exclude certain realms from attending :o
Indeed, such exclusion is expressly forbidden by the IR.
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Indeed, such exclusion is expressly forbidden by the IR.
Heh, never thought of such an application. Usually the IR was to protect against governments that wanted to prevent their nobles from attending to other realm's tournaments, I don't recall any case where a realm sponsoring a tournament tried to dissuade certain realms from attending. The IRs are overall personal rights, not collective rights, though being able to punish a collectivity for acts of its individuals, without that collectivity having the right to punish the culprit individuals, would lead to messy situations, I reckon.
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After this coming battle with Sirion and the north to try to reclaim Domus (Caligus still hasn't moved their capital so they must be amassing to try to TO the region back?!) maybe we can hold a referendum in Vix Tiramora to hold a tournament and temporarily halt all war efforts for a week.
Although I doubt some realms will abide by this week of peace ::) ???
Caligus has moved their capital to Akesh Temple.
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If we throw a tournament in Vix at the moment I feel like that'd be a little bit of a slap in the face to the Northern Alliance / GX given the last couple of campaigns - after all, what would we be celebrating?
That said, tourney > no tourney. GX folks, you still interested in throwing one to honor Gildre's noble death? If not, maybe it's time for a party in Domus, the city certainly needs it.
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If we throw a tournament in Vix at the moment I feel like that'd be a little bit of a slap in the face to the Northern Alliance / GX given the last couple of campaigns....
I think they need a good slap in the face to wake up and give us a challenge :P
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I think they need a good slap in the face to wake up and give us a challenge :P
It's 5 on 1...
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Caligus, Nivemus, Eponlyn, Sirion, Shadowdale, Xavax... I counted 6 on 6. And Xavax Alliance has much more nobles.
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Nobles mean very little when you have no gold and keep throwing away your armies. 8)
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It's 5 on 1...
This must be the most naive look on the current war.
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Yeah I would not call this a gangbang. Almost the entire continent is involved. If it was 5 on 1 GX probably wouldn't be here anymore...
Honestly, I think it is quite an exciting war! Been a long time since anything like this happened on the EC. And I only see the other realms getting more involved in the future.
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This must be the most naive look on the current war.
Well if we want to be rude:
The Caligus general was sabotaging the war effort because he was convinced Vix were friends: not allies
Caligus is the only realm that can march to directly aid GX.
Hence 5 on 1.
It's naive to say oh this is one war when it spans the continent and there are multiple fronts (conflicts), hence why my character has taken to calling it the Xavax Wars. In the southern theatre, yes, it is 5 on 1 and we are grossly out gunned and bound by moral obligations to not kill rape and slaughter, which while apparently cause distress in noble conversation, are conveniently ignored for the player convenience of fighting "neo-CE".
Perleone is useless and Perdan has taken a lot of me-time, but the southern theatre is still... 5 on 1.
And we won't mention the rampant powergaming of using our advies to scout.
So let's put on our thinking caps again.
Southern theatre. 5 on 1. Infinite gold and scrolls versus nobles forced to immigrate because of islands sinking.
Doesn't that feel good? Thinking? :)
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Wow. I'm not even going to respond on that.
At least some are having fun, I guess!
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Wow. I'm not even going to respond on that.
At least some are having fun, I guess!
I'm definitely having fun, just don't be rude to others. "I'm not sure how you figure that" vs "wow that must be the most naive look on this war".
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Yeah I would not call this a gangbang. Almost the entire continent is involved. If it was 5 on 1 GX probably wouldn't be here anymore...
Honestly, I think it is quite an exciting war! Been a long time since anything like this happened on the EC. And I only see the other realms getting more involved in the future.
This is how EC, and BM, used to be. Realms engaged in cosntant warfare against other realms. This is how BM should be played.
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Edit: Nothing is perfect. I quit after Aurvandil died but have rejoined recently due to my over curiosity and love for the game :)
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And we won't mention the rampant powergaming of using our advies to scout.
Is this true? I read that the Devs discourage this 'Powergaming' that I keep hearing about. If using Adventurers to scout is powergaming, then why isn't this dealt with yet? I should also mention that Adv being able to see info of an area steps on Infiltrator Territory (although I'm not sure about this because I'm new.) I just made my first adventurer yesterday and I was surprised I could see the nobles in the region.
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Is this true? I read that the Devs discourage this 'Powergaming' that I keep hearing about. If using Adventurers to scout is powergaming, then why isn't this dealt with yet? I should also mention that Adv being able to see info of an area steps on Infiltrator Territory (although I'm not sure about this because I'm new.) I just made my first adventurer yesterday and I was surprised I could see the nobles in the region.
It is dealt with, to an extent. Adventurers suspected of spying have been executed on both sides. Of course, in Xavax they have a chance to prove their innocence before they are killed. The "Powergaming" refers to when an advy is killed simply for being part of a family with a noble from an enemy realm with otherwise no in-game interaction suggesting that the advy in question was do anything other than hunting monsters.
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I have to favor the other side a little here. People seem to think adventurers can roam the continent all willy nilly. Such is not the case. Adventurers belong to realms. For example,
Noble X is part of Caligus. That player has Adventurer X who belongs to GX. Adventurer X wanders up to Castle Ubent hunting monsters. Since Vix Tiramora is at war with GX, I think it is perfectly reasonable to arrest and subsequently execute Adventurer X. And really, Vix doesn't need to explain itself or have any other proof than suspicion. It is a commoner. Dime a dozen. No rights. A citizen of an enemy realm.
However, if Noble X is part of Caligus, and has Adventurer X who belongs to Vix Tiramora, and Vix arrests Adventurer X and executes based solely on their family name, then I would consider that unsportmanlike gaming. However, I have not heard any reports of this matter. All executions that I have heard of have been adventurers from enemy realms.
I will further elaborate. Gilth was a founding member of Vix, and he also defected to GX. I think it is safe to say that the Gildre name was rather well known. I have an adventurer on the EC, Alvira, who belongs to Vix as a member of the realm. She has been arrested, beat up, and executed zero times by Vix Tiramora.
She has, however, been arrested by Caligus while traveling on the border. Good catch on Caligus' part. The Judge at the time let me off with a warning (mad dope love btw), but that was his own personal decision. I got caught by an enemy realm and was completely at their mercy.
I think realms should be suspicious of adventurers, and I also think that realms should employ adventurers as behind enemy lines scouts way more. They wouldn't have the Scout Region option if it wasn't intended for them to pull some risky maneuvers like that.
I will say though, if you are playing an adventurer and you are arrested by your own realm and executed based on your family name, that should be brought up. While it doesn't go against any rules that I am aware of, it is the player playing as a player, rather than playing as their character. Or "meta" gaming as you crazy kids call it these days.
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If someone hadn't executed my first advy for no good reason, I never would have made Selenia.
I hope the Xavax Wars result in a lot more Selenias.
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Is this true? I read that the Devs discourage this 'Powergaming' that I keep hearing about. If using Adventurers to scout is powergaming, then why isn't this dealt with yet? I should also mention that Adv being able to see info of an area steps on Infiltrator Territory (although I'm not sure about this because I'm new.) I just made my first adventurer yesterday and I was surprised I could see the nobles in the region.
You can see nobles present in a region (they'd be obvious with their banners, retinues, and units), but you don't get unit info of those nobles.
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I have to favor the other side a little here. People seem to think adventurers can roam the continent all willy nilly. Such is not the case. Adventurers belong to realms.
I agree with this so much. When I was playing a Judge, the best way to inspire me to execute an advy was if I noticed they had betrayed their realm just to join their noble character's realm, the advy presumably used as a tool of their noble.
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This is how EC, and BM, used to be. Realms engaged in cosntant warfare against other realms. This is how BM should be played.
haha, that's not how I remember things to be. I remember mostly a lot of gridlock alliance blocs, eternal peace, and gangbangs against any and all rabble rousers. And the dev team and Tom needling to repeatedly prod players with soft and hard incentives to break the stagnation and do stuff, a few occasions spawning rather serious threats from Tom against involved rulers. AT was the worst, but I think EC was pretty bad too. All had some good moments in at least some parts, but I'm not sure I'd have qualified those at the norm, or how it "used to be". EC I think had a tendency to have long rotations between lasting wars and lasting peace, while AT was really more stagnation than anything. The introduction of a "too much peace" mechanic wasn't happenstance. It didn't stay because it had its share of faults, but it did underline a serious problem of the time.
BM's metagame has evolved much since. There are more smaller scale wars, more wars in general, and more leniency to trouble makers. Back then, a realm doing a sneak attack on its neighbor was likely to result in 10 realms ganging up to destroy them, while now there are more greater odds of neighbors letting them fight it out or, if joining, trying to even the odds more than making them as lopsided as possible.
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I remember mostly a lot of gridlock alliance blocs, eternal peace, and gangbangs against any and all rabble rousers.
That came afterward, with that horrid long peace after the Great War ended. The only war, imo, that deserves the title of 'great'. Constant alliance switches by realms, internal power coups, power swings etc. Of course, back then, we had the *worst* OOC drama with Avamar and Black Hand too. And everyone afraid Tom would shut the game down in a fit of anger at someone.
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That came afterward, with that horrid long peace after the Great War ended. The only war, imo, that deserves the title of 'great'. Constant alliance switches by realms, internal power coups, power swings etc. Of course, back then, we had the *worst* OOC drama with Avamar and Black Hand too. And everyone afraid Tom would shut the game down in a fit of anger at someone.
Is there a wiki page for that shizzle?