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Adventurer Taxation

Started by Tom, September 07, 2011, 10:23:07 AM

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Tom

I think adventurers should feel the tax burden stronger than they do.

In addition to realm taxes (property and wealth), they should pay the region taxes as peasants do. In other words:

Whenever taxes are collected, all adventurers currently in a region having tax collection have to pay the regions tax rate to the region.

Jens Namtrah

Quote from: Tom on September 07, 2011, 10:23:07 AM
I think adventurers should feel the tax burden stronger than they do.

In addition to realm taxes (property and wealth), they should pay the region taxes as peasants do. In other words:

Whenever taxes are collected, all adventurers currently in a region having tax collection have to pay the regions tax rate to the region.

As stated elsewhere, please concentrate on a long list of features that have been promised/have dead links to/etc. before worrying about taking 10 gold off an advy every month. 

Put things in that ADD to the game.

Tom

This would add, and it is really easy to do (once the new estates/tax/unified system is done).

It would make travel more interesting for adventurers, some of the really rich ones would move strategically to avoid high-tax regions.
It would give nobles half a dozen ways to exploit adventurers, not all without consequences.
It would integrate adventurers a little into the economic game, because right now the adventurer game is still very seperate from the normal one.


vonGenf

I'd point out that the wealth tax is really a tax on fortune, while the region tax is really a tax on income. There is already a mechanism to extract money from the infrastructure in a region instead of the plus-value produced by that infrastructure, and that mechanism is properly called "sacking" instead of "taxing".

In that sense, it would be better to force adventurer to give a part of their bounty to the region Lord when they find it, and not a part of whatever they happen to have in their pockets on tax day. If you want to get what is in the adventurer's pocket, you can beat it out of him whenever you want.
After all it's a roleplaying game.

Jens Namtrah

Advies will just move to rogue regions, or stash their gold in a temple or guildhouse right before tax time.

Not worth the coding effort

Jens Namtrah

Quote from: Tom on September 07, 2011, 11:58:30 AM
This would add, and it is really easy to do (once the new estates/tax/unified system is done).

Ah, once that is done. Okay then, go ahead and tax advies if you want.

Tom

Quote from: vonGenf on September 07, 2011, 12:06:05 PM
In that sense, it would be better to force adventurer to give a part of their bounty to the region Lord when they find it, and not a part of whatever they happen to have in their pockets on tax day. If you want to get what is in the adventurer's pocket, you can beat it out of him whenever you want.

Good point. I'll consider it.

De-Legro

Just a suggestion, but taxes on a adventurer could possibly be the property of the noble whom "owns" the adventurer.
Previously of the De-Legro Family
Now of representation unknown.

Indirik

Quote from: Tom on September 07, 2011, 11:58:30 AMIt would make travel more interesting for adventurers, some of the really rich ones would move strategically to avoid high-tax regions.
Advies should then be able to see the tax rate of the regions they are in.
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Shizzle

Quote from: De-Legro on September 07, 2011, 01:55:13 PM
Just a suggestion, but taxes on a adventurer could possibly be the property of the noble whom "owns" the adventurer.

I think this is a great idea, and makes perfect sense. An advy would swear fealty to a certain noble, in exchange for handing off a part of his tax share. As an advy, it would be smart to team up with a Duke, Ruler or Judge, but I am sure those nobles would also demand a higher tax income. This tax wouldn't need to be a percentage, but the noble could also demand 10 gold a week, for his protection.

Service for protection, exactly like a Lord towards his subjects.

This would also put advies more into politics. Being fealty to one Lord, they could be requested to deliver letters or compile reports. And rival nobles could hurt you by hurting your advy, and thus your income - unpunished if they can get away with it.

We could take it even further: Lords with advies that have high swordsman skills could receive a bonus in battle when their advy is present. Or a training bonus, or ... :)

Indirik

Quote from: Shizzle on September 07, 2011, 02:43:26 PMWe could take it even further: Lords with advies that have high swordsman skills could receive a bonus in battle when their advy is present. Or a training bonus, or ...
... we could even get rid of all the faceless soldiers we hire,and have each and every soldier in the game played by another player! In order to do this, we'll implement the Soldier class, and let every player have one Soldier character in each realm in the game! And the Advies can be the captains of the noble's units, too! Rockin'!  ::)
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egamma

Do the normal peasants pay an income tax or a property tax?

Indirik

Where do you think the regional taxes come from?
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egamma

Quote from: Indirik on September 07, 2011, 02:53:06 PM
Where do you think the regional taxes come from?

Quote from: egamma on September 07, 2011, 02:47:14 PM
Do the normal peasants pay an income tax or a property tax?

Your question doesn't answer my question. Are regional taxes an income tax, a property tax, or a sales tax? (I went to my first city council meeting last night so this is important for some reason.)

Indirik

Quote from: egamma on September 07, 2011, 02:55:06 PMAre regional taxes an income tax, a property tax, or a sales tax?
Yes.

It's really not extrapolated to that level. Personally, I don't really see any reason to make that distinction. They're taxes. They gives us the shinies that make such a nick clinking sound as they fall into out coin pouches. Why should we care what methods the tax collectors use to pry the coins from the peasants grubby fingers?
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