Sanguis Astroism

[Penchant]

Wow, conversation about SA is dying it seems.

[OFaolain]

Wow, conversation about SA is dying it seems.

Well, you know, we've got wars to fight, people to kill, cities to burn; we've got a lot on our plates as it is.

[Dante Silverfire]

So a schism has begun!!! Or has it?

My guess is Asylon chickens out when they realize they'll provoke a Crusade. Thoughts?

[Meneldur]

Well I have to say that for our long-awaited first "schism", it is a bit of a let down. Not only was Allison not involved but apparently its now not a schism, but an unrelated faith that just so happens to include similar beliefs... >:(

Oh well, I'm pretty sure a crusade is still on the way ;D

[Vellos]

It's not a schism, it's a heresy. A schism implies legitimacy.

[Penchant]

Well I have to say that for our long-awaited first "schism", it is a bit of a let down. Not only was Allison not involved but apparently its now not a schism, but an unrelated faith that just so happens to include similar beliefs... >:(

Oh well, I'm pretty sure a crusade is still on the way ;D

The thing is if it was Allison there would be no crusade and you know it.

[Dante Silverfire]

It's not a schism, it's a heresy. A schism implies legitimacy.

I disagree. A schism is never legitimate. If it was, there would be no schism. Schism's are always looked at as heresy by the other side. That's what makes them fun, interesting, and that's why the winner determines who was the true heretic.

[Meneldur]

The thing is if it was Allison there would be no crusade and you know it.

It might not be a very effective one (depending on who takes what side), but as long as Mathurin remains Prophet, an Allisonite schism is pretty much guaranteed to cause a crusade.

[Gustav Kuriga]

And is therefore likely not to occur. Allison may be crazy, but she isn't stupid.

[Vellos]

I disagree. A schism is never legitimate. If it was, there would be no schism. Schism's are always looked at as heresy by the other side. That's what makes them fun, interesting, and that's why the winner determines who was the true heretic.

Which is why there is an obvious orthodox, non-heretical, non-schismatic form of Islam or Christianity.

No; schism's are defined by the presence of 2 factions with strong legitimizing claims and strong political power. And usually schisms don't end with one side winning. The only demographically major schism of a major religion I can think of where one faction has well and truly died is Arian Christianity; but I'll admit I'm not extremely well versed in Hindu and Buddhist history.

[Norrel]

Which is why there is an obvious orthodox, non-heretical, non-schismatic form of Islam or Christianity.

No; schism's are defined by the presence of 2 factions with strong legitimizing claims and strong political power. And usually schisms don't end with one side winning. The only demographically major schism of a major religion I can think of where one faction has well and truly died is Arian Christianity; but I'll admit I'm not extremely well versed in Hindu and Buddhist history.

From what I understand, the catholic church stomped out heresy with some efficiency.

[Glaumring the Fox]

lol yeah tell that to the myriads of protestant faiths..

[Dante Silverfire]

Which is why there is an obvious orthodox, non-heretical, non-schismatic form of Islam or Christianity.

No; schism's are defined by the presence of 2 factions with strong legitimizing claims and strong political power. And usually schisms don't end with one side winning. The only demographically major schism of a major religion I can think of where one faction has well and truly died is Arian Christianity; but I'll admit I'm not extremely well versed in Hindu and Buddhist history.

Christianity has had a schism and it quite clearly involved both sides considering the other heretics in their beliefs.Alternatively, the presence now of sects in Christianity at least still consists of the various sects vehemently disagreeing with the others. Just because war isn't apparent between them recently due to modern times doesn't mean that its wasn't very divisive.

At any rate, this is somewhat off topic.

[Norrel]

lol yeah tell that to the myriads of protestant faiths..

Martin Luther was very late medieval. For the vast majority of european history the catholic church stamped down pretty effectively on most heresy. And in the case of protestantism, they certainly tried. They weren't very nonchalant about the whole thing.

[Anaris]

...Do you really think that the Protestant Reformation was the first major schism in the Christian Church?

If so, you really need to read up more on things like Oriental Orthodoxy and Eastern Orthodoxy.