Problem assigning Lords under New Estates

[Chenier]

Why?

So that he may then appoint himself to the duchy.

Otherwise, the ruler has theoretically no chance of becoming a lord unless a duke steps down. A rather rare event.

Though I wonder how this applies to realm with elections.

Also makes me wonder about dukes who lose their region due to capture: are they still dukes?

[JPierreD]

So that he may then appoint himself to the duchy.

Otherwise, the ruler has theoretically no chance of becoming a lord unless a duke steps down. A rather rare event.

Though I wonder how this applies to realm with elections.

Also makes me wonder about dukes who lose their region due to capture: are they still dukes?

I'd rather limit the ruler's power. Better to encourage him to empower himself by giving others (allies) power positions than by hoarding them.

[Chenier]

I'd rather limit the ruler's power. Better to encourage him to empower himself by giving others (allies) power positions than by hoarding them.

Most realms already do that. In the realms that don't have such rules, it would be highly frowned upon for a ruler to do so. Rare are the places you can pull it off, imo.

At least for the traditional dukes. If the ruler creates a duchy out of a poor townslands and makes himself duke of a one-region duchy, is it really that bad? I wouldn't think so, but I think that's something we can let the characters of the realm decide.

[Vaylon Kenadell]

Wait... government members can't become region lords?

This is a bit ridiculous, in my opinion. I can't be both General and a lord?

So not only are Generals stuck with the thankless task of ordering around their feckless countrymen and taking the blame when they screw up -- I'm not saying this is the case in my realm, just hypothetically speaking -- but Generals are also unable to at least finance themselves with a region lordship, and have to continually go begging for money?

[vonGenf]

This is a bit ridiculous, in my opinion. I can't be both General and a lord?

So not only are Generals stuck with the thankless task of ordering around their feckless countrymen and taking the blame when they screw up -- I'm not saying this is the case in my realm, just hypothetically speaking -- but Generals are also unable to at least finance themselves with a region lordship, and have to continually go begging for money?

The end results of this is that people will step down from their position only to be reappointed after they get their lordships. This is against the spirit of the game, but faced with these kind of rules, it will happen.

[JPierreD]

The end results of this is that people will step down from their position only to be reappointed after they get their lordships. This is against the spirit of the game, but faced with these kind of rules, it will happen.

Lords cannot be appointed. I am not sure what is the spirit of this change, but I fail to see good reasons to maintain it, unless it comes with something else we have yet to see.

[Tom]

Lords cannot be appointed. I am not sure what is the spirit of this change, but I fail to see good reasons to maintain it, unless it comes with something else we have yet to see.

Apparently the "it's an unfinished system" part got forgotten.

[JPierreD]

Apparently the "it's an unfinished system" part got forgotten.

Ah, sorry, thought it was intended.

[Vellos]

Notably, Terran just conquered Vassar... and it still isn't appearing on our Realm and Regions page, or Realm Hierarchy. Nor did it appear in the Realm Tax Report, despite having a lord.

[Tom]

after the cleanup run today (which should be over by the time I post this) - is this still buggy?

[Vellos]

after the cleanup run today (which should be over by the time I post this) - is this still buggy?

Still buggy.

Lavendrow and Vassar still aren't showing up on Terran's realm and regions.

[Telrunya]

Qubel Lighthouse has just been conquered by D'Hara. It seems to show up properly now (realm and regions, realm hierarchy), though a new Duchy was automatically created by her capture (I didn't do it via the Govern the Duchies page)

[Indirik]

When Astrum took Golden Farrow, the duchy was automatically created as well. I'm pretty sure that's a bug.

[Tom]

That's absolutely a bug. No new duchies should be created.