Civilization expanding?

[egamma]

Except it has no gold, no food and horrible travel times.

Does anyone have scout reports of the area, post realignment? I would be interested in the actual gold output and peasant population.

Each of those regions should have 500 bushels of food, or close to it--the Desert of Silhouettes did. So you wouldn't have to worry about food for a year.

[Geronus]

So in the NW peace is Indirik's fault, in the NE is Busto's, in the SW is the Zuma and the 'moot's, and only the SE is cool because of the Lurias? (And an honorable mention for Madina and Aurvandi's South) 8)

Pretty much  ;)

[Chenier]

The various 'zones' of Dwilight are a bit small in and of themselves to support sustained conflict short of repeated civil wars, Luria-style. It's like having four little War Islands, only they aren't strategically balanced. There will be no war within the Northeast because Morek will probably crush any realm or combination of realms in that area that comes against it. There will be no war in the Southwest because of the Zuma and the Moot. And there will be no war in the Northwest because every realm up there is a colony of Astrum with strong and binding ties to each other.

I won't rule it out. I mean, things are sure to get stirred up sooner or later out of sheer boredom if nothing else. But the current dynamics of the island argue strongly against such conflict within most of the sub-regions so it's likely to be at least a bit on the artificial side, if not a lot on the artificial side. Morek and Astrum turning on each other isn't outside the realm of possibility but it is strongly disfavored by the close relationship they have. There would have to be a schism in the Church or something similar, and there's just absolutely no RP basis for anything like that right now.

I figure something is bound to happen even if Tom does nothing about the travel times, but I think it would be far more interesting if non-regional conflicts were made feasible by a reduction in travel times. Dwilight is bound to lose its frontier atmosphere as it is, given that the New Estate system allows the human realms to fill up all the empty space with far less characters than previously.

I disagree. I went to settle in a realm far away from SA on purpose. I like things being far. It would be absolutely unfair to accommodate the SA bloc's desires for crusade by reducing travel times every time they kill a neighbor.

No: you wanted to crush out all opposition? Then live with it. If you don't have a war on your doorstep, it's your own damn fault. The South has war, the East has war. The West doesn't, but that's mostly because we don't want any: we are close from many outside factions.

Turn on yourselves, or otherwise accept the fact that the continent won't be given to you on a silver platter. You want to crush the remaining blocs? Then suffer the travel times.

[Anaris]

I disagree. I went to settle in a realm far away from SA on purpose. I like things being far. It would be absolutely unfair to accommodate the SA bloc's desires for crusade by reducing travel times every time they kill a neighbor.

No: you wanted to crush out all opposition? Then live with it. If you don't have a war on your doorstep, it's your own damn fault. The South has war, the East has war. The West doesn't, but that's mostly because we don't want any: we are close from many outside factions.

Turn on yourselves, or otherwise accept the fact that the continent won't be given to you on a silver platter. You want to crush the remaining blocs? Then suffer the travel times.

I agree with Chénier.

(Pause while universe implodes)

(Resume)

It was never meant to be easy for an army based in, say, Libidizedd to attack Flowrestown.  Dwilight is large, and travel times are long.  Just because you've managed to make a bloc that is currently aligned together doesn't mean you get to have travel times changed so your bloc can go on to dominate other sections of the continent.

Yes, there are some geographic boundaries that limit meaningful conflict between some combinations of areas of Dwilight. This is also by design.  I can't see any area of Dwilight that couldn't have plenty of intrigue, politics, and strife based on its geographic arrangement.

This is all stuff that we as players just need to deal with and work with IC, not try to get it changed OOC because you can't bear the thought of having a boring time followed by your bloc breaking up.

[Carna]

SA, a victim of its own success?  :o

Travel times are big, but so is Dwilight. SA has to travel days or weeks to fight an outside realm? Well, travel days or weeks. Not like that "bloc" isn't strong enough to land a few blows and establish other new realms in the Lurias or Moot territory. It'd be harder, because its further away. Shocking. Counter-attacks from the south would be just as difficult.I do find it ironic that Atamara's called dull, however, when there's rarely not a continental wide war there. What's the north of Dwilight seen in the last RL year?

Balance's Retreat. Not profitable? Well, the stronghold probably isn't. How about all those mountains? They have to produce enough food to feed themselves. Its a Rule. Same for BR stronghold. Only regions that don't produce enough food are cities, I've been told. Even still, a BR realm has D'Hara to its west, who want to sell people food. Rogues? Barca was full of rogues too. Unbearably so. Not exactly a big problem these days. Gold? Well, I can't say. I was and am planning at some point in the next few weeks to commission someone IC to go find out.

Would a BR realm be the strongest on Dwilight? Probably never. But most defendable? Well, unless compared to the Zuma or the SA realms to the very north, acceptably so because of the very travel times bitched about. But a BR realm has style. I never really looked at Darfix. I always thought a realm in those mountains north of the Lurias would be cool though. Still do, enough that I'd give up my Duchy if I had a chance to be a part of it. To answer the question though, unless it was well and truly impossible to survive, there definiately are players interested. Myself included, and not having discussed it at large, I know of three players straight away.

The fact that its right between three blocs does serve to make it appealing, but I suspect that's likely the biggest roadblock to it happening too. Pity.

Finn.

[Gustav Kuriga]

SA, a victim of its own success?  :o

Travel times are big, but so is Dwilight. SA has to travel days or weeks to fight an outside realm? Well, travel days or weeks. Not like that "bloc" isn't strong enough to land a few blows and establish other new realms in the Lurias or Moot territory. It'd be harder, because its further away. Shocking. Counter-attacks from the south would be just as difficult.I do find it ironic that Atamara's called dull, however, when there's rarely not a continental wide war there. What's the north of Dwilight seen in the last RL year?

Balance's Retreat. Not profitable? Well, the stronghold probably isn't. How about all those mountains? They have to produce enough food to feed themselves. Its a Rule. Same for BR stronghold. Only regions that don't produce enough food are cities, I've been told. Even still, a BR realm has D'Hara to its west, who want to sell people food. Rogues? Barca was full of rogues too. Unbearably so. Not exactly a big problem these days. Gold? Well, I can't say. I was and am planning at some point in the next few weeks to commission someone IC to go find out.

Would a BR realm be the strongest on Dwilight? Probably never. But most defendable? Well, unless compared to the Zuma or the SA realms to the very north, acceptably so because of the very travel times bitched about. But a BR realm has style. I never really looked at Darfix. I always thought a realm in those mountains north of the Lurias would be cool though. Still do, enough that I'd give up my Duchy if I had a chance to be a part of it. To answer the question though, unless it was well and truly impossible to survive, there definiately are players interested. Myself included, and not having discussed it at large, I know of three players straight away.

The fact that its right between three blocs does serve to make it appealing, but I suspect that's likely the biggest roadblock to it happening too. Pity.

Finn.

[Sacha]

The Divides don't produce much gold either. The whole area probably doesn't reach 1,000 gold income. There are townslands that are richer.

[Vellos]

The West doesn't, but that's mostly because we don't want any: we are close from many outside factions.

Heh.

Terran is literally gnawing at the bit, practically begging for a war. Just nobody is giving us one. Damn D'Haran peaceniks.

[Creed]

Heh.

Terran is literally gnawing at the bit, practically begging for a war. Just nobody is giving us one. Damn D'Haran peaceniks.

Get Terran to go attack Aurvandil they are getting a bit big for their britches. :D

[Creed]

The Divides don't produce much gold either. The whole area probably doesn't reach 1,000 gold income. There are townslands that are richer.

Divides might be a horrible place gold wise but it makes up for it in defensibility. There is no where on the map that is more defensible then the Divides. 

[Vellos]

Get Terran to go attack Aurvandil they are getting a bit big for their britches. :D

Yeah, ummm... it's more likely we'd join in the gangbang on Madina at this point. :P

[Chenier]

Heh.

Terran is literally gnawing at the bit, practically begging for a war. Just nobody is giving us one. Damn D'Haran peaceniks.

You like to huff and puff, but really we know you like the comforts of peace too much. ;)

Yeah, ummm... it's more likely we'd join in the gangbang on Madina at this point. :P

Even us peaceniks would be open to that idea!  ;D

[Indirik]

Chenier, you do realize that D'Hara really isn't all that far from Morek, Astrum, and Corsanctum, right? Just a short little sea passage, and we have a border war. ;)

[Vellos]

You like to huff and puff, but really we know you like the comforts of peace too much. ;)

Actually, no. Look at our CS chart. We'd really like to use all that.

[Chenier]

Actually, no. Look at our CS chart. We'd really like to use all that.

Huff and puff. ;)

Chenier, you do realize that D'Hara really isn't all that far from Morek, Astrum, and Corsanctum, right? Just a short little sea passage, and we have a border war. ;)

None of them have any reason to invade. And we *do* house SA's leader. And Terran is half SA. Hard to use that "defense of persecuted SA followers" in such cases.

Indeed, if they don't invade, they can sell us their excess food, which is basically like a tribute. Free gold for them, because excess food just rots and serves no purpose anyways.