New Takeover system - Tower Fatmilak/Madina

[Allomere]

You can't do, the two different set of actions clearly massively counter-act each other, and how can a Sympathy takeover require fully the same amount of Fear/hostile actions as an actual Hostile takeover. A lot of our actions have raised fear as well but the fear stat hasn't even increased by 1%, yet the Sympathy is reportedly more than 100%.

Also, if that is the case and we need 100% in both then the region will take a full 28 turns to complete. Which means with anything less than 2000 men and more than 40 nobles is is nigh impossible to take a region like this. And since few other armies will comprise that many men and 24,000 CS I don't think that is a workable system at all.

Either the takeover still needs to conclude at the coming turn, having this turn only just gone over 100%, or there is actually an issue in the system as a whole. Either way, it shouldn't be saying there is 101% Sympathy if there actually isn't, nor should it require there to be more than 100%, because that is just madness.

[De-Legro]

Because you need both.

No you don't. Please don't post answers when you don't know them. You require only Love or Fear to reach 100%. Solaria took Dantooine with 100% Love and 0% Fear.

Also, if that is the case and we need 100% in both then the region will take a full 28 turns to complete. Which means with anything less than 2000 men and more than 40 nobles is is nigh impossible to take a region like this. And since few other armies will comprise that many men and 24,000 CS I don't think that is a workable system at all.

On Dwilight maybe. On other islands 24k CS is not so rare. But that doesn't matter, you are correct that the TO should only need one or the other to complete.

[Draco Tanos]

I led the army taking Vozzessdor and Wudenkin on BT (believe Vozz was the old system and only Wudenkin the new, but I'm fuzzy on that part).  We used Sympathy, but NEEDED a small percentage of Fear, otherwise it would not work. 

I doubt you could have 100% of both, due to their counteracting.  Would require a ton of work to keep the one up at 100% while the other rose as well.

[De-Legro]

I led the army taking Vozzessdor and Wudenkin on BT (believe Vozz was the old system and only Wudenkin the new, but I'm fuzzy on that part).  We used Sympathy, but NEEDED a small percentage of Fear, otherwise it would not work. 

I doubt you could have 100% of both, due to their counteracting.  Would require a ton of work to keep the one up at 100% while the other rose as well.

Looking at the code, it is simply NOT true that you need both, or even a small percentage of one. In the future Tom has stated that you will be required to balance Love and Fear or once the TO is complete you will have side effects. But right now all you need to do it hit either the required Love or the required Fear. Something else seems to be going on with this particular Takeover.

[Draco Tanos]

*shrugs*  Well, we have about 5 to 10% Fear during our Sympathy takeover.  It worked.

[De-Legro]

*shrugs*  Well, we have about 5 to 10% Fear during our Sympathy takeover.  It worked.

And like I said, when I led the Solarian Force to take Dantooine we had NONE. Know what, it worked also. You know why? Cause fear is currently irrelevant to a Love takeover.

[Allomere]

Well as long as the takeover works by evening turn I won't complain  ;D if not ...

... Might just order we burn the whole place to the ground.

[De-Legro]

Well as long as the takeover works by evening turn I won't complain  ;D if not ...

... Might just order we burn the whole place to the ground.

I'm not all that confident of your chances of the TO ending this turn. It might just be a rounding error, but I doubt it. I've been looking through the code but can't see the problem. I don't have access to the live DB so I can't check the current totals against the required level to see if something weird is going on there.

[Tom]

Because you need both.

What? Where do you read that from?

[Tom]

Currently, your realm has about 0% of the fear and 101% of the sympathy you need to complete the takeover.
(actions done this turn are not yet included in this estimate)

Um..

Two reasons. One, it is an estimate. Two, if factors influencing not your progress, but how much you need change during the turn, that will be factored in. So yes, you can go above 100%. The TO should complete at the next turn.


In a more complete notice:

For the moment, you need either value to pass 100% to complete the TO. However, I plan to add a third option for a balanced TO. Basically, if the sum of your efforts sums up to more than 100%, you got it. But that's not yet implemented.

[Eithad]

In a more complete notice:

For the moment, you need either value to pass 100% to complete the TO. However, I plan to add a third option for a balanced TO. Basically, if the sum of your efforts sums up to more than 100%, you got it. But that's not yet implemented.

So why all the TO action options. People will and already have been ordered to perform a single TO action repeatedly that maximises one and completely ignore the other value.

[Indirik]

The idea is that eventually there will be different "types' of TOs. And that maxing one while ignoring the other will cause problems post-TO.  So players are therefore offered a blend of options, in order to allow them to tailor the TO to their needs, and the "flavor" of their realm. Things are being discussed to perhaps convert regular region control to work along the fear/love scale as well. You can then choose to ruler your realm with an iron fist of fear, or through popular support and love. Or perhaps a mix of both.

[Tom]

So why all the TO action options. People will and already have been ordered to perform a single TO action repeatedly that maximises one and completely ignore the other value.

Yes, I know I should probably explain more about them. Feel free to copy this to the Wiki or something, with the caveat that this is the current status and may change in the future:

Those options are not just on a scale from most fear- to most love-producing. They also differ in other aspects, for example in the risk they contain (i.e. the spread). Some are slow but reliable, others are more risky but can speed things up. But the main effect is that very soon now, they will have lasting consequences, and you may want to refrain from the extreme options because it means much more work to patch things up after the TO.

[Allomere]

Region Taken   (11 minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Aurvandil

We have successfully convinced the people of Tower Fatmilak to raise our banner and abandon their old allegiance to Madina.
The region joins the duchy of Candiels.

;D ;D ;D

.. and then there's this -

Out-of-Character from Mendicant Anhangar   (just in)
Message sent to everyone in your realm (43 recipients)

Will some one be able to go on the forum for me and report a bug? I cannot appoint a new lord in Tower Fatmilak, it only gives me an error message on the drop down list.

http://imageshack.us/f/52/dfe.png/

Ackerson Cole

[Indirik]

Do you know how long (days/turns) it took to finish the TO?