Cities and Duchies

[Anaris]

Wut? So when Astrum takes the city of Chrysantalys, and I create a duchy and bestow it on the Marquis of Chrysantalys, I can't all it the Duchy of Chrysantalys? I'd love to hear the rationale for that...

How about forbidding giving a Duchy the name of a region that it does not contain, and the name of a realm that does not contain it?

[Indirik]

So, Fissoa couldn't accept the refuge nobles from Madina, and create the duchy of East Madina (Lesser Madina, Madina in Exile, etc.) in the townsland of Drowentown, since there is a region named "Madina"? Or, hell, why couldn't they call it the Duchy of Madina, since it contains the nobles that still think of themselves as Madinans?

[Anaris]

So, Fissoa couldn't accept the refuge nobles from Madina, and create the duchy of East Madina (Lesser Madina, Madina in Exile, etc.) in the townsland of Drowentown, since there is a region named "Madina"? Or, hell, why couldn't they call it the Duchy of Madina, since it contains the nobles that still think of themselves as Madinans?

Hm. OK, you've convinced me on realms.

Still think the restriction for regions is reasonable.

[Tom]

You lose continuity. Getting named as a duke is a prestigious and honorable. That prestige and honor is based on the accumulated history of the duchy. Changing the name is tantamount to discarding all that history, effectively pissing on it as if it didn't matter.

I didn't say the duke could rename the duchy. I agree that would be a horrible idea, within a week we would have ten duchies named after their duke.

I'd reserve the right to names for the ruler.

[vonGenf]

Hm. OK, you've convinced me on realms.

Still think the restriction for regions is reasonable.

I think if would be amazing if Luria Nova had already created a duchy of Askileon.

I think it would be even more amazing if both Luria Nova and Solaria had already created a duchy of Askileon! 

[Dante Silverfire]

I think if would be amazing if Luria Nova had already created a duchy of Askileon.

I think it would be even more amazing if both Luria Nova and Solaria had already created a duchy of Askileon! 

Oh please please please, make me(my character) Duke of Solari. (Cmon, Saul, you know you want to...)

[Indirik]

...within a week we would have ten duchies named after their duke.

That's partly what I would be worried about, too. In addition to that, though, you'd have people changing duchy names to be more consistent with their chosen character theme. You'd have a "viking" character changing the Duchy of Perdan to the Duchy of Thor's Hammer, because "Perdan just isn't viking enough", and then the next duke would change it to the Duchy of Shinto-ka because he's a "samurai" or some crap like that. I'm all for realm themes, and the ability to customize your realm to the desires of the players.  But we often have such a diverse player base, and people with strong ideas of what their individual character concept is, that we end up with a fractured conglomeration of stuff that just doesn't fit together into a cohesive story.

[Tom]

Well, my thoughts after all this:

• ruler-only option, same screen where he can create and delete duchies
• cost of gold (a bit) and hours (some more)
• timer so it can't be changed back-and-forth so quickly that it would confuse people, especially in other realms
• announcement to the realm, with protest options

That should curb most abuses I can think of.

[vonGenf]

That sounds perfect!

[Tom]

all but the timer is done now. Timer requires a new database field.

[Solari]

Oh please please please, make me(my character) Duke of Solari. (Cmon, Saul, you know you want to...)

Malus, too, is looking for an excuse to stop playing nice and grind PeL into oblivion! 

[Dante Silverfire]

Malus, too, is looking for an excuse to stop playing nice and grind PeL into oblivion! 

Another stab perhaps? Meh, you're not going to get anything you wish. At least if you only wish to see PeL destroyed.

Anyway, on topic, I do like these changes Tom. Should liven things up, especially now that the duchies can have more custom name changes. (with restrictions)

[Perth]

Well, my thoughts after all this:

• ruler-only option, same screen where he can create and delete duchies
• cost of gold (a bit) and hours (some more)
• timer so it can't be changed back-and-forth so quickly that it would confuse people, especially in other realms
• announcement to the realm, with protest options

That should curb most abuses I can think of.

The protest option is good. A ruler who doesn't like one of his dukes could prove very annoying by constantly changing the name of the duke's duchy.

[Bael]

Hm, would all of the duchies have the prefix "duchy of..." before their name, or could one play around with it (perhaps have the option of making it "duchy of Eastmarch" or "Eastmarch duchy"?)

[Indirik]

Hm, would all of the duchies have the prefix "duchy of..." before their name.

Yes.