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The end of Ibladesh

Started by Velax, February 27, 2012, 01:31:23 PM

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Peri

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Quote from: Zakilevo on February 28, 2012, 05:45:43 AM
Uh no. Caligus didn't attack the city.

Sirion attacked Fontan city and looted it some times, but never damaging it too seriously. The city became seriously threatened once Sirion secured Karbala.

So with Sirion thinking about their next move after Karbala, Caligus declared war on Fontan, took over An Najaf (if that's the name), successfully breached Fontan city but then found itself with too few men to pull a takeover through, because Westmoor was in the meantime attacking Viseu - key region for Caligus - backed by Fontan's remaining army and there had been a rather poor coordination with Sirion's armies at that moment.

Fontan never really recovered from that, they RTO'd An Najaf but weren't able to stabilise it, with Sirion regularly roaming the Viseu/Oporto area, and neither were they able to garrison Fontan city decently again with Sirion making sure to clean the militia every time it appeared (Sirion was in control of Karbala at that time, not firmly but still had it).

The conclusion is that Sirion took over Negev and Fontan city, handing the latter over to Caligus, too busy on the southern front to claim the city on its own.

I don't think that caligus' attack broke Fontan's back, given that Sirion already controlled Karbala and vastly outnumbered Fontan already back then, but it certainly sped up incredibly their demise, adding a considerable amount of gold to Caligus' income as a consequence.

And to those who said Ibladesh should have tried to overpass Caligus in his relations with Sirion: Caligus saved Sirion's ass by declaring war on Perdan with unquestionable timing (the nice loophole in the treaty, Indirik you should remember that :P). Ibladesh was rather friendly, but never did or thought about doing something vaguely similar. They bought some food from us, that's all. There was no match there.

Zakilevo

With Perdan out of the great war, Sirion wiped the floor clean :) God it took so long until we finally defeated Fontan's main force. I remember staying around Viseu area for two weeks at a time. Fun times.

Thunthorn

Sirion would never have sided with Ibladesh. We owed Caligus for saving our bacon by declaring war on Westmoor when we had five nations armies on our doorstep and Ibladesh was making Evil Empire noises. Caligus/Perdan were still underdogs against Ibladesh and the whole operation of taking Fontan C for Caligus was very much because Caligys anticipated Ibladesh attack and needed the extra resources Fontan C would bring to stand against them.
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Indirik

Quote from: Peri on February 28, 2012, 11:28:42 PMAnd to those who said Ibladesh should have tried to overpass Caligus in his relations with Sirion: Caligus saved Sirion's ass by declaring war on Perdan with unquestionable timing (the nice loophole in the treaty, Indirik you should remember that :P).
I was robbed! I was right, and everyone knows. Tricksy Caligans... Should have wiped them out when I had the chance....
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Indirik

Quote from: Creed on February 28, 2012, 10:09:18 PMThe simple fact of the matter Ibladesh could not win on a to front war against two powerhouse realms
When the war started, Perdan was anything but a powerhouse. We were very weak. DoA alone would probably have stalemated us for a long time. It wasn't until after we killed DoA and recaptured Aix that we picked up steam.

Quoteand really if Ibladesh could have gotten Westmoor to attack Perdan from behind. The war would have turned out quite differently.
Religious tensions prevented a Ibby/Westmoor alliance from ever growing too strong. The state religions of each realm considered the other's state religion as evil. Westmoor tried to strong-arm both Perdan and Caligus, but we told them that we weren't going to discuss anything until after the war with Ibby was over. Westmoor tried to stab Caligus in the back, but was as (un)successful as always.

QuoteNo offense to players in Caligus but Perdan had a vastly stronger military then Caligus
Umm... no. When Ibby declared war on Caligus, Caligus was much stronger than Perdan.

Quotebut Ibladesh choose to ignore Perdan at the beginning of the war and keep claiming they did not need to bother with Perdan because DOA could take us. That was a fatal mistake they allowed for us in Perdan to build up our strength and without worrying about looting in our regions we could focus all our efforts on DOA and after we killed DOA Ibladesh had no chance Perdan was just to strong for them to win against  us and fight Caligus at the same time
I do agree that not taking out Perdan at the beginning of the war was a mistake.
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Lefanis

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Iltaran

Quote from: Indirik on February 29, 2012, 02:50:03 AM
Religious tensions prevented a Ibby/Westmoor alliance from ever growing too strong. The state religions of each realm considered the other's state religion as evil. Westmoor tried to strong-arm both Perdan and Caligus, but we told them that we weren't going to discuss anything until after the war with Ibby was over. Westmoor tried to stab Caligus in the back, but was as (un)successful as always.

Westmoor's politics at the time were... erm... confusing.
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Feylonis

I remember the back-to-back-to-back rebellions in Westmoor. Ahh, good times. I think if they weren't so undecided regarding Perdan/Fontan, it could have swung the war around against Sirion.

Iltaran

You mean if Westmoor hadn't gone to war with Caligus twice? Maybe it would've been enough to drag the war into a stalemate, but Sirion's geography makes it damn near invulnerable.
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Galvez

We are still there. And Ibladesh will rise again!
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Uzamaki

Quote from: Galvez on May 15, 2012, 03:54:42 PM
We are still there. And Ibladesh will rise again!

I don't see Ibladesh making any noise any time soon... But who knows? Maybe when the going gets tough...

All my characters have been on the North side of the island, so I really haven't dealt with the Ibbies much. Will be sad to see one of the only true Theocracies go though.  :(

feyeleanor

Quote from: Iltaran on February 29, 2012, 01:58:18 PM
You mean if Westmoor hadn't gone to war with Caligus twice? Maybe it would've been enough to drag the war into a stalemate, but Sirion's geography makes it damn near invulnerable.

Not with the new estate system and a little creative planning  ::)

Uzamaki

Quote from: feyeleanor on May 16, 2012, 05:15:58 PM
Not with the new estate system and a little creative planning  ::)

Sirion can be taken down. You just need to bribe the gatekeeper at one of their walls.

feyeleanor

Quote from: Uzamaki on May 16, 2012, 05:31:02 PM
Sirion can be taken down. You just need to bribe the gatekeeper at one of their walls.

Well that's certainly one way to get a foot in the door...

Zakilevo

(Bring Sirion down from within!)