Recent Change to Generals

[Dante Silverfire]

Hm.

If I were the enemy of such a realm, I'd send an infiltrator to take that general out. Boom, instant worthless enemy army, because they don't know how to operate without their hyperactive general.

Tom, you've just stated the exact military strategy which Darka and friends are using against CE on Atamara. It works too.

[GoldPanda]

Tom, you've just stated the exact military strategy which Darka and friends are using against CE on Atamara. It works too.

And I had contingency plans for that eventuality. It's a poor General who does not account for the times when he gets stabbed. And, yes, if your realm can't handle your General getting stabbed, it deserves to die. I have completely agreement with Tom on that point.

Of course, then that infil proceeded to stab every CE Marshal that was in the same region with Enri. It's kind of hard to still have a functioning military after that. I think he finally got captured while stabbing the last Marshal, and then escaped right after turn tick the next day, before the Judge could ban him.

And that's why I always say infiltrators are overpowered. Kudos to that infil though.  8)

[Telrunya]

Yeah, I think the fact that he stabbed the three back-ups as well really did the trick that time :P

[De-Legro]

And I had contingency plans for that eventuality. It's a poor General who does not account for the times when he gets stabbed. And, yes, if your realm can't handle your General getting stabbed, it deserves to die. I have completely agreement with Tom on that point.

Of course, then that infil proceeded to stab every CE Marshal that was in the same region with Enri. It's kind of hard to still have a functioning military after that. I think he finally got captured while stabbing the last Marshal, and then escaped right after turn tick the next day, before the Judge could ban him.

And that's why I always say infiltrators are overpowered. Kudos to that infil though.  8)

That is pretty amazing. My infil was pretty damn good but I never managed to stab more then two nobles in the same region.

[Geronus]

That is pretty amazing. My infil was pretty damn good but I never managed to stab more then two nobles in the same region.

Don't all the guards in the region become more alert when you pull off a stabbing, or is that only when you fail or get seen leaving the scene?

[De-Legro]

Don't all the guards in the region become more alert when you pull off a stabbing, or is that only when you fail or get seen leaving the scene?

My understanding is that they always get more alert. After all even if you have the best success there is still a stabbed noble laying around to make people suspicious. When you combine that with Generals and Marshals tending to have large units, I wouldn't generally risk trying for a second target let alone more then that.

[Dante Silverfire]

My understanding is that they always get more alert. After all even if you have the best success there is still a stabbed noble laying around to make people suspicious. When you combine that with Generals and Marshals tending to have large units, I wouldn't generally risk trying for a second target let alone more then that.

Yes, it does get more difficult. Making that achievement even more astounding.

[Geronus]

Yes, it does get more difficult. Making that achievement even more astounding.

Hot damn, that is pretty incredible. How many people did he stab?

[Foundation]

And I had contingency plans for that eventuality. It's a poor General who does not account for the times when he gets stabbed. And, yes, if your realm can't handle your General getting stabbed, it deserves to die. I have completely agreement with Tom on that point.

Of course, then that infil proceeded to stab every CE Marshal that was in the same region with Enri. It's kind of hard to still have a functioning military after that. I think he finally got captured while stabbing the last Marshal, and then escaped right after turn tick the next day, before the Judge could ban him.

And that's why I always say infiltrators are overpowered. Kudos to that infil though.  8)

Who was this infamous infil? :D

[JPierreD]

Who was this infamous infil? :D

Certainly deserves the erection of a statue in his name :P

[Tom]

Of course, then that infil proceeded to stab every CE Marshal that was in the same region with Enri. It's kind of hard to still have a functioning military after that. I think he finally got captured while stabbing the last Marshal, and then escaped right after turn tick the next day, before the Judge could ban him.

And that's why I always say infiltrators are overpowered. Kudos to that infil though.  8)

He probably has a very interesting bounty on him by now, not to mention a standing order to the judge to ban and execute him whenever he gets the chance. Yes, infiltrators are powerful. They also live very risky lives.

[Telrunya]

Don't forget the spoon torture ;)

[GoldPanda]

He stabbed a General and three Marshals in a span of minutes. Our fourth Marshal in the region was wounded during the previous battle.

If you want to find out who it was, join one of the AT realms and ask around IC. :)

He probably has a very interesting bounty on him by now, not to mention a standing order to the judge to ban and execute him whenever he gets the chance. Yes, infiltrators are powerful. They also live very risky lives.

His usual m.o. is stabbing the enemy Judge first. I think it's fairly safe to say that stabbing a single noble is not a risky action for him anymore. After that, even if he gets captured, there is no one to ban him.

Look at it this way, Tom. A very skilled infiltrator:
1. Can actively try to escape from prison before the Judge can reach for the ban-hammer.
2. Has a good chance to escape if the Judge tries to execute him.
3. Is a very unattractive target for other infils and can mostly shrug off bounties. And getting stabbed doesn't exactly kill the infil.
4. Can avoid execution completely if he stops attacking realms that have banned him, and maintains enough honor to not hit "outlaw" status.

The fact that there are very skilled infiltrators around suggest that it's not a very risky profession at all, if you know how to play it right. It must have taken them a long time to build up their skills.

[Geronus]

He stabbed a General and three Marshals in a span of minutes. Our fourth Marshal in the region was wounded during the previous battle.

If you want to find out who it was, join one of the AT realms and ask around IC. :)

His usual m.o. is stabbing the enemy Judge first. I think it's fairly safe to say that stabbing a single noble is not a risky action for him anymore. After that, even if he gets captured, there is no one to ban him.

Look at it this way, Tom. A very skilled infiltrator:
1. Can actively try to escape from prison before the Judge can reach for the ban-hammer.
2. Has a good chance to escape if the Judge tries to execute him.
3. Is a very unattractive target for other infils and can mostly shrug off bounties. And getting stabbed doesn't exactly kill the infil.
4. Can avoid execution completely if he stops attacking realms that have banned him, and maintains enough honor to not hit "outlaw" status.

The fact that there are very skilled infiltrators around suggest that it's not a very risky profession at all, if you know how to play it right. It must have taken them a long time to build up their skills.

Atamara has more than most (all) other islands. I attribute this to it being a large continent with a lot of realms (and targets), so getting banned from two or three still doesn't limit your options too much or force you to take unnecessary risks. It also has an older player base and a lot of double-character families. In many cases I see one family member (a lord) pumping gold into the other character (an infiltrator). Sometimes the lord *is* the infiltrator.

I think it's fine the way it is. Even the best infiltrators will get unlucky from time to time. Hammarsett had to put up with Ivore Whiteblood for a while, but we eventually caught and banned him after a few weeks of depredations and he hasn't been back since. The way I see it, the events you've described are your own fault anyway for having so many attractive targets hanging out in the same region together  ;D You want to be able to ban infiltrators? Keep your judge away from them, or at least away from your military hierarchy.

The fact is that it's expensive (and tedious) as heck to get an infiltrator that good. You've got to burn months of time and hundreds or thousands of gold training to get your skills up to that point and then keep them there. That's the flip side to it. Sure it's annoying when one shows up and screws you over, but it took a *long* time for him to get that good. He deserves to have his day in the sun.

[GoldPanda]

What Judge? CE has no Judge anymore. Ignore the man hiding in the bunker at the undisclosed location.  ;D