Message #51272

[Chenier]

I still see many realm-wide requests for rural lords to put up sell offers so the city lords can buy the food.

Maybe you should consider it the other way around. The new trade system is built with a "what I need" mentality in mind. If a city needs food, it is much better off putting up buy offers than waiting for other regions to put up sell offers. First off, the delay is shorter, second there are more options for getting the food, third you can have the traders broker your deals, making everything a lot easier for you.

Theoretically, the entire trade system should work completely without the need of additional messages. If you need food, setting up a buy offer is a much more effective and precise communication than a realm-wide message. If you have food to sell, putting it on the market is a much better way to announce so than posting a letter.

Try it. If you do this for a while, I'm sure you will be pleasantly surprised how smoothly it works without all the micro-management of telling others what to do.

Or, if lords could put automatic buy offers to reduce the burden of trade back closer to historical levels (there has always been a way to automate food dealings for as far as I can remember, save for transition periods), then we'd see truly hassle and micro-management free trade.

[egamma]

Automatic buy offers are not possible. Automatic sell offers are an accepted feature request.

[Dante Silverfire]

Automatic buy offers are not possible. Automatic sell offers are an accepted feature request.

So, Dukes HAVE to be active, but rural lords don't have to be active?

[Indirik]

Don't be ridiculous. If you're "active" enough to avoid autopausing you're active enough to post a set of 7 or 8 trade offers once a week. If you think you won't be around, post twice as many.

[Dante Silverfire]

It just seems unusual.

Is is a coding thing that makes it not possible or is it a decision that has been made?

If its a coding issue, I am quite understanding. If not, I don't understand why there couldn't simply be an option to: Place a new 500 bushel buy offer every X days for Y gold per 100.

I mean the same argument could be made that automatic sell offers don't need to be present since anyone should be active enough to do it.

The main thing I think is its just a hassle for some people. They don't want to deal with food at all.

[Penchant]

The reason its not possible is because the duke has to pay for the food when he sets up the deal, but what happens when for some reason he doesn't have the money but the offer automatically is made which should take money from him but can't. Automatic sell offers are possible since you get gold not lose, so you will never have it where you can't get the gold bonds from selling because that just doesn't make sense but you won't always have money to buy.

[Dante Silverfire]

The reason its not possible is because the duke has to pay for the food when he sets up the deal, but what happens when for some reason he doesn't have the money but the offer automatically is made which should take money from him but can't. Automatic sell offers are possible since you get gold not lose, so you will never have it where you can't get the gold bonds from selling because that just doesn't make sense but you won't always have money to buy.

That makes sense.

[JPierreD]

So, Dukes HAVE to be active, but rural lords don't have to be active?

If you are a Duke and you cannot spend time to even post a damn food order then you will either be ousted soon for incompetence or your realm is dead and you are likely one of its causes of defunction.

[Dante Silverfire]

If you are a Duke and you cannot spend time to even post a damn food order then you will either be ousted soon for incompetence or your realm is dead and you are likely one of its causes of defunction.

Cheers!

[D`Este]

If you are a Duke and you cannot spend time to even post a damn food order then you will either be ousted soon for incompetence or your realm is dead and you are likely one of its causes of defunction.

Or you know, you are in the field traveling in winter and not to expect a market for the coming two weeks..

[vonGenf]

Or you know, you are in the field traveling in winter and not to expect a market for the coming two weeks..

And don't have sufficient reserves which you should have planned prior to starting that trip, and refuse to appoint a steward. That's a lot of mistakes to make at once.

[Tom]

Don't be ridiculous. If you're "active" enough to avoid autopausing you're active enough to post a set of 7 or 8 trade offers once a week.

And why even that? Post one big one and let the traders worry about the details. Right now trader brokering doesn't work well because too few people actually put up bigger offers because they are afraid that trader brokering won't work. It needs a push to get moving, that's all.

Maybe we can actually do both buy and sell offers automatically. But in order to make this also push trading, I would limit it to exactly one per region, so it can't be split up. If you want to do micro-management, you have to do it manually. Buy orders could be done automatically using tax gold. Is there already a feature request on the bug tracker that I could add my thoughts to? (sorry, lazy this morning)

[Tom]

Or you know, you are in the field traveling in winter and not to expect a market for the coming two weeks..

You do not have to be in your region to trade from or to it. Any region with a marketplace will do.

[vonGenf]

You do not have to be in your region to trade from or to it. Any region with a marketplace will do.

In Dwilight, it's not impossible to undertake a trip that will keep you away from a marketplace for a long time. Sallowtown-Donghaiwei, for example, or Twainville-Echiur through the Zuma's.

[D`Este]

If I would travel to palm sea from a region next to it for instance, that's 6-7 turns for me and 6-7 turns back towards my own lands. So imagine if we go a region deeper into enemy territory, where I have no say over where market places will be. Even if I post up buy orders before I leave, my lords will be unable to sell their food.

I have to admit that if you plan a bit ahead you can store enough bushels, but it's not fun/easy/enjoyable to have to worry about such things. Which should also a part of the game I think.