Message #52657

[Zakilevo]

I currently have two knights in my stronghold. Under the new estate system, how high can I tax my region with two knights? The tax rate is currently set at 20%. Would it be a bad idea to increase it to 25%?

[Foundation]

This is something for you to find out.

[Zakilevo]

This is something for you to find out.

Well you are awfully helpful Foundation

[fodder]

does the number of knights even matter for the purpose of upping peasant tax rate?

[Tom]

Well you are awfully helpful Foundation

But he is right. The "acceptable" tax rate depends on so many factors that even the dev team can't say. It is also different for every region and changes over time as the factors determining it change.

[Forbes Family]

I would suggest raising it one percent at a time though... don't increase by 5% or it could get ugly real quick

[Zakilevo]

But he is right. The "acceptable" tax rate depends on so many factors that even the dev team can't say. It is also different for every region and changes over time as the factors determining it change.

Hmm... Interesting. Didn't know things change over time. Do seasons affect it as well?

[egamma]

I don't think seasons do anything--I've had the same tax rate "same peasants complaining" for several IG years now.

What you need to understand is the number of knights you have increases the efficiency of the region. Let me use Raviel as a real-life example.

Right now, my townsland has 2 estates, each using 50% of the land. Their efficiency is only 72%. If i had 4 estates, each with 25% of the land, then their efficiency would be 100%. The most efficient size varies per region.

My estate collects 231 gold right now. Shrinking it to 25% would decrease my tax to 159--so a 50% decrease in estate had only a 31% decrease in gold income, not a terrible trade. Besides, I would be getting more gold from the 3 knights, so instead of about 60 gold lord's share--for a lords share of 25% on the 50% estate--I would be getting 120 gold from my knights. 120 lords share + 159 lords estate=279, which means that my income would actually be higher with a smaller estate! Plus, the region as a whole would go from 462 gold collected, to 641 collected.

[fodder]

on the other hand, you might want your knights to get a big chunk themselves instead of sharing with yet another neighbour... and damn efficiency..

[Ketchum]

I would suggest raising it one percent at a time though... don't increase by 5% or it could get ugly real quick

+1

Increase by 1% with each tax day and watch the magic happen

As previous region lord, I increase by 5%, then reduce by 1-2% in just 1 tax day. Peasants complain all the time, we just need to get their voices out of our head

[egamma]

One of the lords in D'Hara is experimenting with setting up lots of tiny, but 100% efficient, vacant estates, to see if that will net more gold than have bigger, but less efficient, vacant estates or wildlands. Does efficiency apply to vacant estates, before or after the 50% gold loss?

[De-Legro]

One of the lords in D'Hara is experimenting with setting up lots of tiny, but 100% efficient, vacant estates, to see if that will net more gold than have bigger, but less efficient, vacant estates or wildlands. Does efficiency apply to vacant estates, before or after the 50% gold loss?

Efficiency shouldn't affect vacant estates at all I think

[fodder]

interestingly... on my screen it says

East Ardford   (vacant)   30 %   86 %   3060   298 gold   15 gold   
Estate            Majsuen   30 %   86 %   3060   298 gold   15 gold   

so when vacant takes a 50% cut off being vacant... it would take half of the same amount of gold as occupied? or at 100% (1/2 of 347)

now.. i'm not going to chop it up to make up more estates or keep it vacant until taxes...(because it'll be taken back up soon) but just from that screen....

[egamma]

Efficiency shouldn't affect vacant estates at all I think

It would be very helpful to have someone actually look at the code. You're right, it shouldn't make a difference, but does it?

[Zakilevo]

Okay. My region can't handle 22%. 21% is the maximum. Number of knights do not affect it it seems...