Luria Nova vs Fissoa

[D`Este]

It's totally true. ;P

I have hardly been active lately! Gotta admit that Tybalt and Kamron are doing pretty nicely so no need to do anything :P

[Shizzle]

Oh come on, you act like there was no scheming coming out of the other realms of Luria. We don't have to transfer all of our IC bias's to the forum. Fissoa had a legitimate reason to join in on the war, even if IC, they've been portrayed not to have any reason at all.

Perhaps it wasn't the best reason, but the one the gave is a legitimate one. All IC propaganda aside Fissoa made a choice which placed them on the losing side of a war. It wasn't to gain land or anything, but to prevent the unreasonable destruction of a realm being gang-banged. If IC that gets warped, well that's fine, but its not like Fissoa joining on Pian's side was some great move to gain power for themselves.

Don't want to polarise this OOC discussion the same way as what happends IG, but basically I support Dante here.

I didn't know Solaria and Luria Nova were so one-minded, and judging on what happened at the time, it should've been possible to attack LN without having the other Lurias on our backs. I was up for some goliath-fighting, but didn't think Dwilight would resort to gang-banging. Basically I also thought joining PeL would make clear on an OOC level that I perceived it as gang-banging. Didn't that come across?

Anyways, there's more news. PeL is capitulating, and according to my info, will be held in equality to the other Lurian realms (something I somehow feel is no option for Fissoa). Malus bypassed Skyndarbau in making peace, all but asking for his resignation [I'm flattered :)] though he forwarded me to Tybalt for anything substantial. Not sure if Skyndarbau wants to confront Tybalt the Greedy, though.

Lastly, I really have to know. Did Luria Nova have any reason for attacking PeL other than helping Solaria? I'm aware of the 'King Koli used tMP'-propaganda, thanks. King Koli was already confined to his bed by then, so that can't really be the reason?

[Anaris]

Lastly, I really have to know. Did Luria Nova have any reason for attacking PeL other than helping Solaria? I'm aware of the 'King Koli used tMP'-propaganda, thanks. King Koli was already confined to his bed by then, so that can't really be the reason?

Sure it can. That kind of manipulation can have long-reaching effects, and just because it's not being practiced actively by the original instigator doesn't mean it's not having any effect.

Furthermore, just because he's down and out doesn't mean that the casus belli from what he did isn't there ;D

[D`Este]

Anyways, there's more news. PeL is capitulating, and according to my info, will be held in equality to the other Lurian realms (something I somehow feel is no option for Fissoa). Malus bypassed Skyndarbau in making peace, all but asking for his resignation [I'm flattered :)] though he forwarded me to Tybalt for anything substantial. Not sure if Skyndarbau wants to confront Tybalt the Greedy, though.

Lastly, I really have to know. Did Luria Nova have any reason for attacking PeL other than helping Solaria? I'm aware of the 'King Koli used tMP'-propaganda, thanks. King Koli was already confined to his bed by then, so that can't really be the reason?

You are flattered that nobody in Luria trusts you anymore? :P And tmp/koli was the main reason for LN to enter the war. After that, dunno, havent been really paying attention.

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I didn't know Solaria and Luria Nova were so one-minded, and judging on what happened at the time, it should've been possible to attack LN without having the other Lurias on our backs. I was up for some goliath-fighting, but didn't think Dwilight would resort to gang-banging. Basically I also thought joining PeL would make clear on an OOC level that I perceived it as gang-banging. Didn't that come across?

There's a couple of things here:

Firstly, when one realm picks a fight with its three neighbors it is called "got what was coming", not a "gangbang." Please stop using such a loaded term so lightly.

Secondly, if you don't understand why that war played out the way it did you have no one to blame but your own ignorance. Fight as they will amongst themselves, the Lurians have always defended the subcontinent together.

[Solari]

Fight as they will amongst themselves, the Lurians have always defended the subcontinent together.

I once described Luria to someone that plays way up north in Dwilight as the Middle East/Arab nations of BM, in that the realms are perfectly happy to destroy each other through internecine conflict until an Occupier shows up.  It's so dysfunctional, and doesn't surprise me at all that outsiders wouldn't fully understand what they were getting into.  Fissoa has always kinda been on the brink of being sucked into the chaos.

[Anaris]

I once described Luria to someone that plays way up north in Dwilight as the Middle East/Arab nations of BM, in that the realms are perfectly happy to destroy each other through internecine conflict until an Occupier shows up.  It's so dysfunctional, and doesn't surprise me at all that outsiders wouldn't fully understand what they were getting into.  Fissoa has always kinda been on the brink of being sucked into the chaos.

Well, not just that. Fissoa gets sucked into the chaos when they try to interact with Luria. This happened years ago when they fought us, then had their Grand Duke swear fealty to us without his people's support, causing a power struggle within the realm then.

And it's happening again now, with their current leader wanting to fight Luria, but the rest of the realm recognizing what a dumb idea that is and wanting to depose him ;D

[Shizzle]

Well, not just that. Fissoa gets sucked into the chaos when they try to interact with Luria. This happened years ago when they fought us, then had their Grand Duke swear fealty to us without his people's support, causing a power struggle within the realm then.

And it's happening again now, with their current leader wanting to fight Luria, but the rest of the realm recognizing what a dumb idea that is and wanting to depose him ;D

Then why did a referendum show 12/14ish votes in favour of a war on Luria Nova?

Things didn't turn out well though, so Skyndarbau will probably lose power. He's not without support, but I'd have him abdicate without remorse. There's just a few people I don't want on the throne, and a few people I'd like to be elected.

Exams are coming up, I could use one less distraction.

[Anaris]

Then why did a referendum show 12/14ish votes in favour of a war on Luria Nova?

Oh, I don't mean it didn't have support at the start. Just that now that it turns out to be a slaughter, the rest of Fissoa realizes it may have been a bad idea.

[Lorgan]

The whole tMP thing was kind of the last drop... there's a bunch of us Lurians that are tired of the constant infighting. I'm all for it but it needs to have a limit and with PeL, and the characters that were in PeL, I didn't see us working very well together any time soon. They all hated Solaria, then they all hated Luria Nova and all along, they all hated eachother. Just look at how the realm collapsed when Koli disappeared. They pretty much did all the work for us. Sometimes by simply killing eachother, other times by giving contradicting orders that meant the slaughtering of their army against our forces at a time that they actually had a chance to win. At least I assume it were contradicting orders, people were moving in, moving out again and then moving in again anyway... it was all pretty funny to watch.

PeL under Koli wanted to be THE Lurian powerhouse, now we are rather looking for a federation of equals under the guise of an empire.

But yeah... attacking one Lurian realm and thinking they'll be acting alone isn't really how it works. :)

[Shizzle]

Oh, I don't mean it didn't have support at the start. Just that now that it turns out to be a slaughter, the rest of Fissoa realizes it may have been a bad idea.

Ah, yes. Things did turn out worse than I thought, but all in all, Fissoa has withstood worse (including Alanna :))

And PeL collapsed way faster than I had anticipated. Seemed like half commited suicide/had their head chopped off/emigrated/panicked.

[Solari]

And PeL collapsed way faster than I had anticipated. Seemed like half commited suicide/had their head chopped off/emigrated/panicked.

I am PRAYING for a good wiki article which recounts all of that.  Solaria was very surprised by events.  From what I've learned, it sounds like it could be one of the better stories that BM has generated.

[Shizzle]

I am PRAYING for a good wiki article which recounts all of that.  Solaria was very surprised by events.  From what I've learned, it sounds like it could be one of the better stories that BM has generated.

Yeah. I wanted to find out IC, but ... half of the witnesses was dead or missing. That blood debt thin was a cruelly effective find.

[Norrel]

I am PRAYING for a good wiki article which recounts all of that.  Solaria was very surprised by events.  From what I've learned, it sounds like it could be one of the better stories that BM has generated.

It was the perfect mixture of hilarious and totally stupid.

[Dante Silverfire]

I am PRAYING for a good wiki article which recounts all of that.  Solaria was very surprised by events.  From what I've learned, it sounds like it could be one of the better stories that BM has generated.

I'm considering having Brom write an IC memoir at some point. Granted it'll be biased since its an autobiography. But hey.