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Started by Darksun, May 10, 2012, 04:54:57 AM

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Arrakis

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Indirik

If at first you don't succeed, don't take up skydiving.

Anaris

Quote from: Arrakis on May 11, 2012, 01:42:15 AM
Obviously

To you, maybe. But as someone in an enemy realm, do you really think you're privy to all the information about it?

Quote, Nastrond allegiance change is done simply so that Morek can TO Summerdale's regions, which means the only reason to do it was game mechanics.

It's really impossible for there to have been another reason?

QuoteIf Orris really wanted to join Morek, why didn't he do it during his famous bug exploit?

Maybe he did something more recently in Libero Empire that made people mad at him. Or maybe he got fed up with all the accusations of witchcraft.

See, I'm not even in the realm and I can see plenty of perfectly legitimate reasons for this to have happened.

You are a biased observer with minimal information about the incident, yet you seem to think that you know all that there is to know about it, and that there cannot possibly be any explanation aside from the one that you have latched onto—the one that confirms your narrative of the Dalians as being nasty cheating exploiters who care for nothing but winning.

You really need to take a step back and put yourself in their shoes. Try to imagine reasons for the things they do that have nothing to do with cheating, or winning. I know you're a smart, imaginative guy, so you really should be able to do this.
Timothy Collett

"The only thing you can't trade for your heart's desire...is your heart." "You are what you do.  Choose again, and change." "One of these days, someone's gonna plug you, and you're going to die saying, 'What did I say? What did I say?'"  ~ Miles Naismith Vorkosigan

JPierreD

Quote from: Indirik on May 11, 2012, 01:53:32 AM
Yay!

This comment was completely unnecessary. What are you after, making Arrakis angry?
d'Arricarrère Family: Torpius (All around Dwilight), Felicie (Riombara), Frederic (Riombara) and Luc (Eponllyn).

JPierreD

Quote from: Anaris on May 11, 2012, 01:58:27 AM
Or maybe he got fed up with all the accusations of witchcraft.

How would switching his region to Morek change anything regarding this?.
d'Arricarrère Family: Torpius (All around Dwilight), Felicie (Riombara), Frederic (Riombara) and Luc (Eponllyn).

Anaris

Quote from: JPierreD on May 11, 2012, 02:29:12 AM
How would switching his region to Morek change anything regarding this?.

If he's getting accused of witchcraft by people in Libero Empire, it would get him away from them.
Timothy Collett

"The only thing you can't trade for your heart's desire...is your heart." "You are what you do.  Choose again, and change." "One of these days, someone's gonna plug you, and you're going to die saying, 'What did I say? What did I say?'"  ~ Miles Naismith Vorkosigan

Indirik

Quote from: JPierreD on May 11, 2012, 02:27:11 AM
This comment was completely unnecessary. What are you after, making Arrakis angry?
I'm happy that someone is using the right system instead of just making public accusations and smear campaigns.

sheesh... I'm not *always* snarky, cynical, and deliberately offensive...
If at first you don't succeed, don't take up skydiving.

JPierreD

Quote from: Anaris on May 11, 2012, 02:32:08 AM
If he's getting accused of witchcraft by people in Libero Empire, it would get him away from them.

Ok, thought it was by the people in Summerdale, not the ones in the Libero. That actually strikes me as very odd.

Quote from: Indirik on May 11, 2012, 02:44:04 AM
I'm happy that someone is using the right system instead of just making public accusations and smear campaigns.

sheesh... I'm not *always* snarky, cynical, and deliberately offensive...

Alright, sorry then. Sounded a lot like that.
d'Arricarrère Family: Torpius (All around Dwilight), Felicie (Riombara), Frederic (Riombara) and Luc (Eponllyn).

Darksun

Quote from: Arrakis on May 11, 2012, 01:42:15 AM
Don't even want to say how little he cares about the concept of oaths.

As I'm sure the SMA investigation will show, if one is even warranted, all of this was role-played and is part of a much larger arc. Just because you're not in on the details doesn't mean that Libero is power gaming.

The issue was discussed within the realm, between leaders and with the lord over several days. In the end, the land was pledged as part of a larger deal to secure the north against untrustworthy and ungrateful nobles such as the Dalians.

Chenier

Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on May 10, 2012, 10:00:45 PM
Pfff, fat chance. We don't want to attack D'Hara.

Allison's wish to attack D'Hara is rather well-known, actually...
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Kellaine

Quote from: Chénier on May 11, 2012, 04:23:52 AM
Allison's wish to attack D'Hara is rather well-known, actually...

Allison wants to attack Dhara out of loyalty to Katayanna..... Katayanna wants Port Raviel back.... Allison said she would help her get it back.
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Feylonis

Summerdale has long nursed a sore spot for Libero/Springdale Duchy. But they should have secured a strong alliance first just in case someone tried to help Libero. Last I heard, Astrum was Summerdale's best friend. What happened to that?

Jhaelen Irsei

I seldom visit the forum but as current ruler of Morek I want to reply to Arrakis and Brant

@Arrakis:
I don't know why you've a grudge on this. You're accusing Morek players to be bored and to do powergaming but you know nothing about our realm and what is going on. In Morek evertything is in IC and there is much RP, decisions are not taken on wims. We played for years and we value very much the collective story that we've created and what is happening now fit very well.
If we were powergamers the war would have been already ended but it's not the case since other intriguing stories are just starting thanks to this conflict.
I'm putting a lot of effort to keep everything IC  and inline and hopefully fun for other players so these accusations are really ridicolous.

@Brant
Sorry if you feel so bad about this situation but really I don't get why: ok, a bug occurred in Mt Black Nastrond but honestly even with your militia and all you army stationed there Summerdale did not have a chance to keep the Mountain against Libero and Morek (that have their capitals so near that  it'd have been  a continuous attack). Mt Black Nastrond is a key region and obviously Morek don't want that someone who is not his friend control it. Pure strategic thinking that could be expected in  diplomatic game such BM.
The fact is that Dalians did not plan this war carefully, you were ready to destroy the realm of other players and now you're whining that other players want to destroy your realm while this is totally false because the peace conditions have not been disclosed yet IG.
Honeslty I don't care to win or loose (even if you think that I want victory at all costs), I care only to have fun with allies and enemies to invent some new story. You've now a lot of material to enrich the RP of this conflict, this is up to you. If you remain silent you cannot complain that you don't like the story others are developing, giving the impression that who wants to win to ahve fun is you actually.

About boredom: yes Morek after years of wars and a civil war was at peace for some time. Well I've enjoyed it that time. Dwilight is full of things to do wars aside. If someone find a realm boring it's his own fault to not get involved more or to not have inveneted some new story to tell others.

Lorgan

Quote from: Indirik on May 11, 2012, 02:44:04 AM
sheesh... I'm not *always* snarky, cynical, and deliberately offensive...

:o

Sacha

I don't think taking a region to create a border between you and the enemy so you can TO more of their lands is anything close to circumventing mechanics. If anything, it's smart thinking.