War please.

[NoblesseChevaleresque]

Boy doesn't that bring back the memories. 

Can I ask what exactly you were asking Barca to do in terms of meaningful reforms to end the corruption?

I gave them free mandate, Mendicant said in these exact words "change of consequence" which was deliberately vague, maximising their options and avenues to take on the issue, and minimising any arbitrary conditions on the part of Aurvandil which may do more damage than good. Barca knows how it runs better than anyone, and they knew what Mendicant saw as wrong in their realm, so we left it up to them to decide what to do, and Aurvandil would only provide input on their suggestions.

What I specifically wanted to do, was to tackle the culture of political cliques, the willingness of nobles to offer gold for the deaths of their political enemies, and the intra realm agreements to distribute power amongst certain nobles in a certain fashion. There were other lesser things as well but I'd have to dig up the messages to find them.

[JPierreD]

Aurvandil heavily reminds me of the mongols, with their "Highest of the Sovereigns" and horribly efficient army.

[Bael]

I gave them free mandate, Mendicant said in these exact words "change of consequence" which was deliberately vague, maximising their options and avenues to take on the issue, and minimising any arbitrary conditions on the part of Aurvandil which may do more damage than good. Barca knows how it runs better than anyone, and they knew what Mendicant saw as wrong in their realm, so we left it up to them to decide what to do, and Aurvandil would only provide input on their suggestions.

What I specifically wanted to do, was to tackle the culture of political cliques, the willingness of nobles to offer gold for the deaths of their political enemies, and the intra realm agreements to distribute power amongst certain nobles in a certain fashion. There were other lesser things as well but I'd have to dig up the messages to find them.

Yeah, Barca/we was/were really stupid to send down Julius as negotiator. *Sigh*
As for the claims, while not fabricated, it is clear that only one side of the story was presented (and see above comment for why the other side was not).

I really wish that I got my character got involved in the issue - I am sure that most of this could have been avoided in that instance. But trying to do anything in Barca is like trying to wade through quicksand.

I suppose I just didn't give credence to the claims, because they were a bit silly, and answers were all within reach.

[Glaumring the Fox]

I'm glad to see I am not the only master of diplomacy out there.

[Indirik]

You sent a Galvez as a negotiator, and didn't expect it to result in war?

That's like throwing a rock into the air and not expecting it to fall back to the ground.

[Bael]

You sent a Galvez as a negotiator, and didn't expect it to result in war?

That's like throwing a rock into the air and not expecting it to fall back to the ground.

So it seems.

[Sacha]

This brings back memories of people reappointing Brom after his first exile from Luria 

[Chenier]

You sent a Galvez as a negotiator, and didn't expect it to result in war?

That's like throwing a rock into the air and not expecting it to fall back to the ground.

That's our child Barca, always being louzy at diplomacy and bringing the wrath of superpowers against us.

Helps keep us all united. We have a lovely family.

[Dante Silverfire]

This brings back memories of people reappointing Brom after his first exile from Luria 

To be fair, Brom did a great job on his return as Banker for quite a while. Granted, he can't play the good guy forever, but its not like that wasn't known.

At least when Brom causes wars to happen with his realm, he leaves them with one region. With Aurvandil attacking you, that may not happen.

[Vellos]

That's our child Barca, always being louzy at diplomacy and bringing the wrath of superpowers against us.

Helps keep us all united. We have a lovely family.

Yup.

I gave them free mandate, Mendicant said in these exact words "change of consequence" which was deliberately vague, maximising their options and avenues to take on the issue, and minimising any arbitrary conditions on the part of Aurvandil which may do more damage than good. Barca knows how it runs better than anyone, and they knew what Mendicant saw as wrong in their realm, so we left it up to them to decide what to do, and Aurvandil would only provide input on their suggestions.

What I specifically wanted to do, was to tackle the culture of political cliques, the willingness of nobles to offer gold for the deaths of their political enemies, and the intra realm agreements to distribute power amongst certain nobles in a certain fashion. There were other lesser things as well but I'd have to dig up the messages to find them.

So what you mean is: you demanded they do as you say, but then you didn't say and, when they didn't do, you got mad?

And by intra-realm agreements: you mean... elections?

[NoblesseChevaleresque]

Yup.

So what you mean is: you demanded they do as you say, but then you didn't say and, when they didn't do, you got mad?

And by intra-realm agreements: you mean... elections?

Mendicant demanded they do "something" and they did nothing, and Mendicant didn't get mad as a result, he decided to get proactive.

And no Velax, I don't mean elections.

[Vellos]

Mendicant demanded they do "something" and they did nothing, and Mendicant didn't get mad as a result, he decided to get proactive.

And no Velax, I don't mean elections.

Vellos, not Velax.

I'm just curious on an OOC basis what kind of reforms you had in mind. Demands for internal reforms in BM have generally boiled down to 3 things that I know of: changes of government style (becoming a theocracy, or republic, or monarchy, etc), changes of ruler/council members (create a puppet state), banishment of nobles. I'm hard pressed to think of other internal changes that have been demanded.

OOCly, what did you think they could even hypothetically have offered you?

[DamnTaffer]

Vellos, not Velax.

I'm just curious on an OOC basis what kind of reforms you had in mind. Demands for internal reforms in BM have generally boiled down to 3 things that I know of: changes of government style (becoming a theocracy, or republic, or monarchy, etc), changes of ruler/council members (create a puppet state), banishment of nobles. I'm hard pressed to think of other internal changes that have been demanded.

OOCly, what did you think they could even hypothetically have offered you?

From my understanding of it Barca was asked to become a Monarchy.

[Vellos]

From my understanding of it Barca was asked to become a Monarchy.

lulz.

And there you have it.

[NoblesseChevaleresque]

Yeah that didn't happen.