VICTORY

[JPierreD]

Felicie was completely supportive of helping Enweil out, during and after the invasion, but the Cheniers have managed to convince her otherwise.

[Chenier]

Felicie was completely supportive of helping Enweil out, during and after the invasion, but the Cheniers have managed to convince her otherwise.

No plural, he only spoke with one.

And the only thing he did was accuse him of ridiculous things. Because obviously if anyone benefited from the Invasion, it's Enweil and the Chénier family, right?

[Tom]

The main thing I liked about Beluaterra is the opportunities present in post-invasion contexts. However, after the last invasion, and possibly this one, there are none. The borders are fixed. There are no significant unclaimed areas. No colonization can occur. No new neighbors can appear.

A couple regions that had been blighted for over a year have already re-appeared.

[Geronus]

A couple regions that had been blighted for over a year have already re-appeared.

And if we work hard enough and fast enough to kill the rest of the buggers, we can presumably un-blight more.

I just hope we don't have to kill both the Midnights and then take on their Darkest Hour successors as well. It will be have been hard enough as it is to take down Midnight of the South. If he reincarnates the next day as Darkest Hour with a new batch of horrors, Riombara is totally screwed.

[JPierreD]

No plural, he only spoke with one.

And the only thing he did was accuse him of ridiculous things. Because obviously if anyone benefited from the Invasion, it's Enweil and the Chénier family, right?

But the actions of both arrived to her ears.

[Chenier]

A couple regions that had been blighted for over a year have already re-appeared.

Unfortunately there's not much I can do to speed that up. Didn't really understand Overlord's RP, either, though I might have been missing context.

But the actions of both arrived to her ears.

No, because the lies of Overlord reached you and you willingly covered your eyes in order to make them believable.

[Tan dSerrai]

No need to rely on lies...the rabit enmity of the Cheniers towards Riombara (and towards Sint and others) has been displayed more than often enough. Sassan had a lot of contacts with a host of other nobles during the invasion - most helpful, some indifferent. The only ones continously and openly hostile, no matter the topic, were the Cheniers. When offering help - open scorn. When asking for information - silence or insults. When trying to cooperate - excuses. So far Sassan did not have a single, constructive, contact with them. He now considers both Cheniers as mad - and willing to do /anything/ to destroy Riombara, even including seeing Enweil destroyed if that would be what it takes.

Note that I as player am very glad that the Cheniers exist. My characters are the usual run of 'basically good with a few quirks' of which there are far too many. Having someone as the Cheniers in this game is certainly enriching. We could use more of these varieties.

[Lefanis]

Midnight of the South has been killed by Folcard's unit.

Meridian Republic strikes again!

[Zakilevo]

Did his army dissolve as well?

[Chenier]

No need to rely on lies...the rabit enmity of the Cheniers towards Riombara (and towards Sint and others) has been displayed more than often enough. Sassan had a lot of contacts with a host of other nobles during the invasion - most helpful, some indifferent. The only ones continously and openly hostile, no matter the topic, were the Cheniers. When offering help - open scorn. When asking for information - silence or insults. When trying to cooperate - excuses. So far Sassan did not have a single, constructive, contact with them. He now considers both Cheniers as mad - and willing to do /anything/ to destroy Riombara, even including seeing Enweil destroyed if that would be what it takes.

Note that I as player am very glad that the Cheniers exist. My characters are the usual run of 'basically good with a few quirks' of which there are far too many. Having someone as the Cheniers in this game is certainly enriching. We could use more of these varieties.

Yea, well, it was hard to want Rio's help when every time they came, they did more harm to the realm than good and when they showed every sign of wanted to siege our city instead of really helping.

I do indeed play very dogmatic and ideological characters, though. Zealous, uncompromising. Guillaume never cared much for PR, and that is hurting him, but that's just how things go. I've got Machiavel for when I want to care for PR. ;)

However, Fheuv'n had a lot of good reasons to distrust Riombara. It isn't a coincidence that while he accepted to lift the declaration of hatred with Sint, he ended up declaring war on Riombara once more after the initial peace. Indeed, I would say that in this invasion, Riombara was the dirtiest. Sint broke it's trend of doing everything they could to earn that title. Fheuv'n did not speak nice, but was the first one to promote unity. And unlike Riombara, they never sent armies, infiltrators, and priests against any human realm.

Yes, Fheuv'n barked a lot, and the attitude may have been a little counter-productive (but not that much: we were too far for anyone other than Enweil to be able to help us without seriously exposing themselves and we were too busy with daimons and monster attacks on us to be able to send any more help than we did), but Riombara is the only realm that I know of that actively hurt other human realms.

And Sassan's confused about the Chénier clan. :P

Guillaume (and his predecessors) never really had Riombara as a priority. Nicolas wanted to annex most of Riombara, and destroy the rest, but that was a means to an end (not having Riombara continuously attack Enweil every chance they get) rather than an end in itself. The focus was always the spread of Enweil's influence towards the North-West, towards Sint. If there was an obsession, it was with Sint much more than Riombara. But Sint was too far away and Riombara always gave an excuse to be pissed at them about. Louis-Joseph had a religious agenda, in which his goal was to convert the whole continent to the Blood Cult, but Nicolas (and to a lesser degree Guillaume) have a much more nationalistic imperial agenda: the spread of Enweili civilization. With Avalon, Fheuv'n, Luz de Bia, and Bara'Khur no more, the bastions of Enweili civilization are fading. He does indeed care for Enweil quite a lot, because it is the original Enweili realm. To go to Fronen or Nothoi would dillute the political "purity", as per the religious tenants that the gods chose the colonists of Enweilieos (i.e. the closer to that first colonisation, the purer the realm is: Enweil was first degree, Fheuv'n and Avalon were second degree, Fronen and Bara'Khur were third degree, Nothoi is fourth degree). If Enweil dies, no more second-degree realms will ever be possible, and the source will be lost.

Guillaume cares quite a bit more for Enweil than you would think. He wouldn't be offering alliances to everyone otherwise. ;)

[fodder]

well.. it had 2 melee (84,118) and 1 ranged (420).. we killed the melee outright in the battle... the ranged was down to ~164 at the end of the battle (which the daimons won)...

no daimons around afterwards..

meh... my 80 sf unit as usual deals lots of damage (1.5k, 800, 1k)... but take way too much.

[Tan dSerrai]

Yeh gods, Chenier...'in this invasion Riombara was the dirtiest'...that IS quite impressive.

It must be quite an ongoing effort to keep trying to turn the aid we gave to Enweil - and IVF - into something negative....sigh. If IVF had invested a quarter of the effort we did invest on behalf of Enweil, directly aiding them - or to aid /anyone/ Sassan would have been content. (I know, I know....monsters kept the IVF army at home. For months....). Try asking any enweilian general whose help they would prefer if they'd have to choose.

Considering how much effort you spend to vilify what Hvrek did (whom we ended up hunting to kill for /trying/ to secretly entering into a deal with the daimons) one should point out that Hvrek did /far/ less than Guillaume openly tried to do (gain the last region of Enweil and thus be spared by the daimons). I'd like to see you employ the same standard for Guillaumes actions....   ;)

[Tan dSerrai]

On a different topic - more related to 'victory' - Midnight of the South has been slain. We'll now find out if the dreaded 'Darkest Hour of the South' will appear. If not then it will be a pleasure to send a rebuilt riombaran army towards the closest daimon. I estimate we could range as far as Dyomoque (15 regions) but could not remain on station long. Gathering 4 weeks supplies before leaving will be a challenge considering all our reserves are now depleted. Still, would be an epic march...

[Darksun]

If midnight doesn't reappear, then some regions should be un-blighted and the rush will be on in the south.

Either way, good times ahead.

[Chenier]

Yeh gods, Chenier...'in this invasion Riombara was the dirtiest'...that IS quite impressive.

It must be quite an ongoing effort to keep trying to turn the aid we gave to Enweil - and IVF - into something negative....sigh. If IVF had invested a quarter of the effort we did invest on behalf of Enweil, directly aiding them - or to aid /anyone/ Sassan would have been content. (I know, I know....monsters kept the IVF army at home. For months....). Try asking any enweilian general whose help they would prefer if they'd have to choose.

Considering how much effort you spend to vilify what Hvrek did (whom we ended up hunting to kill for /trying/ to secretly entering into a deal with the daimons) one should point out that Hvrek did /far/ less than Guillaume openly tried to do (gain the last region of Enweil and thus be spared by the daimons). I'd like to see you employ the same standard for Guillaumes actions....   ;)

Actually, no. Hvrek wanted to actively destroy Enweil against their will. Guillaume just offered reunification as a ploy to screw over the daimons, but not with the intent of sitting back. And do keep in mind that the alternative was Enweil submitting to the daimons and building one of their temples. I'm pretty sure we'd have all been better off had they accepted to merge with Fheuv'n.

Did Rio fight the daimons? Yes. Every single realm did. But Rio also sent armies against human realms. They used religion to sabotage Enweil and Fheuv'n. They sent infiltrators against Fheuv'n on multiple occasions. These was not the acts of 1 man.

No human realm, that I know of, acted against another human realm. Except for Riombara.

As for effort, Rio has a ton of cities, some of them quite big and wealthy. Fheuv'n had a crap city, and that was all. Our full military might, most of the time, was under 4000 CS. And we fought daimons every second week or so. It's not because you weren't called to help that we weren't busy fighting daimons ourselves.