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Started by Iltaran, June 20, 2012, 06:26:33 AM

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JPierreD

Quote from: mikm on July 10, 2012, 10:29:04 PM
It did feel like the enemy was holding back a lot to give us a chance A player realm with the with the mechanics available for the daimons would have been a lot more agresive, brutal.

In which realm were you?
d'Arricarrère Family: Torpius (All around Dwilight), Felicie (Riombara), Frederic (Riombara) and Luc (Eponllyn).

Tom

Quote from: mikm on July 10, 2012, 10:29:04 PM
It did feel like the enemy was holding back a lot to give us a chance A player realm with the with the mechanics available for the daimons would have been a lot more agresive, brutal.

No, I did have my own recruitment limits to adhere to, for example. In some cases I needed time to rebuild my forces, or could only launch attacks from specific areas.

Zakilevo

Quote from: Tom on July 11, 2012, 12:04:41 AM
No, I did have my own recruitment limits to adhere to, for example. In some cases I needed time to rebuild my forces, or could only launch attacks from specific areas.
Ah interesting. So daimons weren't so mighty after all ;)

Foundation

Not unlimited or godly, but still mighty enough that if Tom really wanted to crush you and forget being balanced or fair, he probably could have. :)
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Iltaran

Quote from: Foundation on July 11, 2012, 02:03:49 AM
Not unlimited or godly, but still mighty enough that if Tom really wanted to crush you and forget being balanced or fair, he probably could have. :)

I suspect he was periodically tempted to do so ;)

Seriously though, I think Tom did a good job of balancing the Daimons so they were scary but not unbeatable.
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mikm

 If the same rules as your normal player realm aplied, in terms of recruiting, then the forces send would be endless.
 

Marlboro

Quote from: mikm on July 11, 2012, 08:13:10 AM
If the same rules as your normal player realm aplied, in terms of recruiting, then the forces send would be endless.

Well the rules would have to be different since there were no Daimon Recruiting Centers as such.
When Thalmarkans walked through the Sint land, castles went up for sale.

Thunthorn

There was obviously mental limitations on the Daimons such as arrogance, overconfidence and fighting some battles they shouldn't have. The whole  "go for the capitals" thing. But that was pretty in character. Lots of players play their humans with similar if not the same restrictions and call it roleplaying ;)
EC: Ilias, Taelmoth (Sirion)
Beluaterra: Ivagil (Melhed), Thoron (Adventurer, Fronen)
Atamara: Haniel (Adventurer, Coria)

Draco Tanos

From an IC viewpoint, the capital being overtaken should be a huge morale breaker.  In RL, historically, it was in many cases.  Be it a provincial capital to claim a region or a national capital, they are usually the goal of any military force.

Tom

I still believe the simultaneous attacks on five capitals - and successfully taking four of them - was the most brilliant move that I made. Not in the strategic/military sense - there really wasn't much that could stand up to those horrors, and not in the short time you had. I think that at least one more capital could have been saved, but that's not the point.

The point is that it was a psychological blow to the gut. It was the point where I think most players realized that the Daimons really meant business and were not only prepared, but determined to push the humans off the island. And that unless you come up with something real good really fast, it's curtains before you really know it.

Eithad

The turning point was when the daimons shifted the focus to Thalmarkin. If Thalmarkin fell the island would have fallen with it. None of the other realms would have managed to put up as much of a fight as Thalmarkin did, except may Riombara but they were alone in the south. Turning Thalmarkin into the focus allowed all the human realms to gather in one place to combine their strength.

Charles

I disagree, I think the fact that the daimons focused on Thalmarkin allowed thalmarkin to be the focus.  Had it been on any other *active* realm it would have been there.  The only mistake (or merciful choice, or arrogant challenge) by the Daimons was to choose a central realm.  Thalmarkin was able to be helped by a number of realms.  If the Daimons had chosen Melhed, chances are only Thalmarkin and Fronen would not have made it in time, and I don't remember seeing much of Fronen. 
Don't get me wrong, Thalmarkin did a great job, but it was because of the help from allies that you still stand.  Alone and Unger would have fallen.

Psyche

Agreed.  Once Thalmarkin was chosen, the Daimons practically said, "This is where we are.  Stop cowering at home preparing for an ambush and bring it."  I do think the centralized location was a good thing for humans, but I doubt things would have been the same if say, Fronen was at bat.  Given their preinvasion politics and early invasion whining, you probably would have had a little less eagerness to throw everything to them.

mikm

No advantage was taken by daimons despite their victories. We were given time to recuparate after the first horor attack.
They could have attacked the undefended realms after  our forces were being sent  to Thalrmakin. I saw an atempt of this in Sint, but it was no big deal. Not much damage was done and they left just like that.
This last attack in keffa by north blight daimon was really thoughtfull. It sure saved the trouble of marshing to the other side the island.

Despite all that I belive the most important factor was the fact daimon leaders can die in battle. This can basicly hapen at anytime, even with overwelming odds.


Zakilevo

Quote from: Charles on July 11, 2012, 03:42:00 PM
I disagree, I think the fact that the daimons focused on Thalmarkin allowed thalmarkin to be the focus.  Had it been on any other *active* realm it would have been there.  The only mistake (or merciful choice, or arrogant challenge) by the Daimons was to choose a central realm.  Thalmarkin was able to be helped by a number of realms.  If the Daimons had chosen Melhed, chances are only Thalmarkin and Fronen would not have made it in time, and I don't remember seeing much of Fronen. 
Don't get me wrong, Thalmarkin did a great job, but it was because of the help from allies that you still stand.  Alone and Unger would have fallen.

Well obviously. There was no single realm that could withstand the daimons alone. I was in three different realms since the invasion started and no realm was more prepared than Thalmarkin. Even then they lost in their capital against Overlord.

This invasion was much better than the last one I think. Last one was a bit confusing. Also, too many nobles dying left and right :o.