Message History Dump Files

[Foundation]

Personal messages can be easily forged still regardless of what format we export.  It's public messages that become difficult to forge, once everyone has their own "reliable" copy of their message logs.

[Tom]

So we must make it into a feature that isn't free - it should take hours and/or gold or something else to get the message log, just so not everyone exports everything all the time.

[Anaris]

I dunno about imposing IC penalties for what is, in most respects, an OOC feature.

How about just making it slow? Not only would that make people think twice before trying to do it all the time, if we do it right, it could reduce the load on the server that it creates.

[Sonya]

Hello!

In history only important event, or comments with great relevance were keep into books. Like battles, memorable speech, conquest and destruction which only the victor should only write.

There were cases where the other side, had their own version, but were mostly a rejected source. If you take history into account the books only had important things, but not all cultures decided to save things on books.

So with my TL;DR i am trying to say is, that we should leave those who want to save the messages they want, by themselves or in the books (WIKI)

Books didn't saved whatever people said, but just important event, so if we are to having the save (something) feature, it should be for important things, because it how always is.

The Wiki is the place to save important things of each realm's history, because if your realm is destroyed, it doesn't matter how many years of messages you have stored, it will be USELESS. Unless you want to discuss at some point who was the lord of X region of X realm on X time.



peace!

[Indirik]

If you make the "official" feature too onerous to use, then people will do what they always done in the past: view all message from the past 30 days, then File > Save. And all you've done is spend a lot of time to implement a feature no one uses.

[Velax]

view all message from the past 30 days, then File > Save.

Son of a bitch...I've been copy/pasting everything. Do you know how long it takes even a decent computer to paste 150,000 words? A long frigging time. And I could have just been doing File > Save Page As the whole damn time.

[Indirik]

It takes a few seconds of File > Save.

[De-Legro]

Hello!

In history only important event, or comments with great relevance were keep into books. Like battles, memorable speech, conquest and destruction which only the victor should only write.

There were cases where the other side, had their own version, but were mostly a rejected source. If you take history into account the books only had important things, but not all cultures decided to save things on books.

So with my TL;DR i am trying to say is, that we should leave those who want to save the messages they want, by themselves or in the books (WIKI)

Books didn't saved whatever people said, but just important event, so if we are to having the save (something) feature, it should be for important things, because it how always is.

The Wiki is the place to save important things of each realm's history, because if your realm is destroyed, it doesn't matter how many years of messages you have stored, it will be USELESS. Unless you want to discuss at some point who was the lord of X region of X realm on X time.



peace!

Published books maybe. This feature is more of a correspondence journal. That is why Historians LOVE finding such sources of information, since they contain the day to day stuff that helps better understand the realities of a time period.

[Ketchum]

So one thing we can already add is that it needs to be in a form that allows easy forgery, i.e. no message IDs, etc.

What format? Text? HTML? XML?

Note that this does. Not mean a general yes or no. Just checking if there are more issues if we think about it in more detail.

Tom, you are the most flexible person I ever known. Thank you for your change-in-opinion

I think text format will do fine. As long as the format can bring convenience to everyone who all are using the same thing~~

[De-Legro]

Tom, you are the most flexible person I ever known. Thank you for your change-in-opinion

I think text format will do fine. As long as the format can bring convenience to everyone who all are using the same thing~~

You need to read this bit

Note that this does. Not mean a general yes or no. Just checking if there are more issues if we think about it in more detail.

Don't go assuming that the feature is accepted.

[Azerax]

How many people here currently save messages? 

[m2rt]

Title: Export messages to CSV format

Summary: I would like there to be ability to export received and sent letters to CSV format for preservation and processing.

Details: The CSV should have fields: id, type, Title, Timestamp (time when sent), sender, audience ( for example: groupname(number of people in that group), if hand selected few nobles, then names should be mentioned), message body, signature.

Benefits: For example: I am running a competition where nobles who support the TO of a region the most turns will get awarded lordship of said region. Would be easier to calculate the points. (nobles send reports to realm if they want to compete). ALSO its easier and more correct way to archive and sort messages for the means of history.

Possible Exploits: Nobles would have extremely good memory if the players would save history... I assume it would be coded so that it would be impossible to get other peoples messages by manipulation.

[Foundation]

CSV, for messages? 

[Indirik]

Yeah, CSV might be a bit awkward.

However, a plain text dump option would be very nice.

[m2rt]

Yeah, CSV might be a bit awkward.

However, a plain text dump option would be very nice.

Why awkward? It could be seperated by ' and all ' in the text changed to ". Ofcourse fields would be seperated by ; too.

I think that CSV will make it easier to manipulate the data... I would actually prefer SQL, but thats probably not good for other people... But wait, what about xml? Should be the best? Only thing is that not good to process in excel. But I would prefer xml over text...