New War Predictions

[Indirik]

The. Problem is that the islands are so poor, that they would still be easily wiped out by another realm that they pissed off. (Well, anyone other than Nivemus, who also has poor regions.) They would also have only three targets: Perdan, Westmoor, and Nivemus.

[Uzamaki]

The. Problem is that the islands are so poor, that they would still be easily wiped out by another realm that they pissed off. (Well, anyone other than Nivemus, who also has poor regions.) They would also have only three targets: Perdan, Westmoor, and Nivemus.

Nivemus also has really good RC's though... We had 19K ready for Perdan when they arrived.

[feyeleanor]

Oh God, Fontan... Endless discussions going nowhere, that was your idea of efficient governing? :p

Since when did efficient government matter? Fontan was a realm where politics mattered and every noble had a chance of weaving their story into the national epic, something sadly lacking in many other realms.

[Foxglove]

Fontan was a realm where politics mattered and every noble had a chance of weaving their story into the national epic, something sadly lacking in many other realms.

Something very similar to this atmosphere exists in Kindara in the Far East, although it's a monarchy rather than a democracy. The Great Debate Hall where anything can be discussed by anyone from rank-and-file to government members. Referendums to find out the will of the broad nobility. And yet it has never yet got bogged down in endless discussion in the way Fontan seemed to from the outsider's perspective -  maybe because Kindara is a monarchly. The opportunities for every player to play a significant part in the life of the realm are probably the best I've experienced in any realm. So much work having been put into creating all that, it's a shame that we don't have anything like enough talkative characters who take the opportunies that are open to them. 

[Anaris]

Since when did efficient government matter? Fontan was a realm where politics mattered and every noble had a chance of weaving their story into the national epic, something sadly lacking in many other realms.

My experience of Fontan was of a realm where if you weren't friends with the elites in power—or otherwise agreeing with their vision of things—you were marginalized and told to shut up.

Thus, even though my character was able to get elected General by the general populace of nobility, because the Marshals (who were mostly put in place by their friends higher up in power) wouldn't follow his orders (orders which conflicted with the currently accepted wisdom in the realm at the time, which included things like, "The best way to defeat Sirion is by destroying our armies against their heavily-defended townslands again and again! Surely this will work!"), he was forced to resign in disgust.

[feyeleanor]

My experience of Fontan was of a realm where if you weren't friends with the elites in power—or otherwise agreeing with their vision of things—you were marginalized and told to shut up.

I always looked on that as positive feedback

[feyeleanor]

Something very similar to this atmosphere exists in Kindara in the Far East, although it's a monarchy rather than a democracy. The Great Debate Hall where anything can be discussed by anyone from rank-and-file to government members. Referendums to find out the will of the broad nobility. And yet it has never yet got bogged down in endless discussion in the way Fontan seemed to from the outsider's perspective -  maybe because Kindara is a monarchly. The opportunities for every player to play a significant part in the life of the realm are probably the best I've experienced in any realm. So much work having been put into creating all that, it's a shame that we don't have anything like enough talkative characters who take the opportunies that are open to them. 

Agreed. Though my characters are also much less talkative these days so I can't really complain.

In Fontan the majority of intelligent discussion took place in the Assembly, which was a council open to all families with more than 30 days in the realm. That was where new laws and diplomatic stance were decided. The Assembly moved fairly slowly most of the time, especially on contentious issues, but where there was general agreement it could reach its decision within a turn or two.

[Chaotrance13]

Something very similar to this atmosphere exists in Kindara in the Far East, although it's a monarchy rather than a democracy. The Great Debate Hall where anything can be discussed by anyone from rank-and-file to government members. Referendums to find out the will of the broad nobility. And yet it has never yet got bogged down in endless discussion in the way Fontan seemed to from the outsider's perspective -  maybe because Kindara is a monarchly. The opportunities for every player to play a significant part in the life of the realm are probably the best I've experienced in any realm. So much work having been put into creating all that, it's a shame that we don't have anything like enough talkative characters who take the opportunies that are open to them. 

The problem with the Hall is that it's also used to ostracise people that the Ruler doesn't like. Malos, as you well know, publicly protested at the appointment of a new noble to Osaliel's lordship, and because Malos was vehement ("disrespectful") about it, as that side of the Nebehns can be, he was "suspended" (read: Removed with no chance of being let back in). But that's the Neill family and De Vere family for you.

But anyway, this is off topic and would better be an FEI topic. Back to predictions. Like what's going on with Caligus and that.

[Indirik]

The problem with the Hall is that it's also used to ostracise people that the Ruler doesn't like.

A ruler being exclusive and ostracizing people they don't like? That's positively medieval! Say it ain't so!

Come on, that's pretty run-of-the-mill discrimination practiced in pretty much every realm in the game. Hardly something worthy of being called out as a black mark for the realm.

[Blue Star]

I thought the plan was to agree until you reached the top then slowly topple a empire. Wait why are we speaking of a dead realm? Baldor was glad to have left those greeks in Fontan to bicker and destroy themselves.

[Ketchum]

The. Problem is that the islands are so poor, that they would still be easily wiped out by another realm that they pissed off. (Well, anyone other than Nivemus, who also has poor regions.) They would also have only three targets: Perdan, Westmoor, and Nivemus.

Now if we combine 2 out of the 3 targets, voila! We have a strong rich good realm, right?

[Lefanis]

Aww man... Was hoping the secession would escalate into all out war between Armonia and Eponllyn, for hegemony over the south, with the nearby heavyweights stepping in for either side 

[Indirik]

That wouldn't have been much of a war. Armmonia would have crushed Eponllyn. Also, Lance's actions did quite a bit of damage to his religion's reputation in the south.

[Draco Tanos]

*in Eponllyn, which is a Flowist and CoI remnant stronghold

[Indirik]

There is no CoI remnant left, anywhere. That religion is dead. Lance's ridiculous "They're starting up COI again!" hysteria is laughable.