CE-Tara Federation

[Azerax]

But like said earlier, now there will be evaluation time for how strong our friendships are, will Talerium keep treaty and will Coria keep their treaty.

Also, important factor is will BoM come to aid on that front, or do they keep helping MI.

As long as the NA has allies that are enemies to it's own alliance members, CE+Tara will win.  Until that situation changes, nothing else will change and the holy roman empire will slowly expand northward.

[Perth]

CE made plenty of peace overtures to both Darka and Eston when the war was stalemated. It seems to me that Kerwin and Kostaja are only interested in peace when they are losing, and that they will be back at CE's throat as soon as CE's advantage is gone. Please tell me exactly why CE's leadership should agree to a peace now. Just how stupid do you think they are?

And many nobles in CE still remember Kerwin's gloating and boasts when the war first started (when the map did not look at all like what Sonya posted.) A little humility, and a bit of decency toward one's enemies on Kerwin's part, would have been remembered, and would have gone a long way toward helping him now.

As the Strombranians say, "Ut sementem feceris ita metes."

No where did I say the Cagilans should make peace. I said it was terrifying to realize they are obviously not interested in it at this point and are not even willing to respond to messages.

What is insulting though is that we've asked for their TERMS. They won't even give us surrender terms.

Also, I have no idea what "gloating" you are talking about on Kerwin's part. Kerwin wasn't even in power when the war first started.

[jaune]

As long as the NA has allies that are enemies to it's own alliance members, CE+Tara will win.  Until that situation changes, nothing else will change and the holy roman empire will slowly expand northward.

Heh, if i would say "Suck my socks!" to Talerium and Eston would do the same for Coria, i bet expansion wouldnt be slow then :)

[Azerax]

Heh, if i would say "Suck my socks!" to Talerium and Eston would do the same for Coria, i bet expansion wouldnt be slow then :)

There's only one way to find out  :D

[Dante Silverfire]

Heh, if i would say "Suck my socks!" to Talerium and Eston would do the same for Coria, i bet expansion wouldnt be slow then :)

If you did that at the beginning of the war, the NA + SA destroy the Central Alliance.

If you do it now, the Northern Alliance will be quickly devastated.

[Lorgan]

This looks like fun for Darka. Bottomless reserves, good recruits, good military overall but a considerably shorter distance to the front. :)

[GoldPanda]

What is insulting though is that we've asked for their TERMS. They won't even give us surrender terms.

Also, I have no idea what "gloating" you are talking about on Kerwin's part. Kerwin wasn't even in power when the war first started.

Kerwin was most definitely King by the time the Carelians took Skalk. That was when the gloating began and the boasts were made. You might not remember but I certainly do. I'll give you a hint: As I recall, it contained the phrases "Eaglin" and "three months".

What was insulting was how Kerwin demanded CE's unconditional surrender. What was insulting was how, even after the war was stalemated, Kerwin still refused to walk away without the Duchy of Eaglin. Eaglin.

Kerwin had plenty of chances to walk away from this war. I can assure you that Kerwin would only be further insulted by the terms that CE would offer now. And unlike Kerwin, CE's leadership avoids insulting their enemies as much as possible. We're polite like that.

[Bedwyr]

CE's leadership avoids insulting their enemies as much as possible.

This is true, oddly enough.  They frequently insult second or third tier allies, but I honestly can't actually remember insults from CE (not counting those quickly quashed by the Marshal or General or what not) when fighting them.

[Zadar]

Like the ruler of Tara who has complained endlessly about Darka looting his lands and called us dishonorable etc. because of it? Funny he had no problems with it when our army was on his side :)

All you need is a silly person as a ruler to get silly tantrums.

They've had tough times. Tara could easily have been killed had some choices been made in another way years ago. Sadly, can't change the past.
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I'm sure that Tara did not whine much about lootings. They actually whined about rapings. They don't like  much when their blood would be weakened by the Northern Horde.. well  ,main reason was that Darka didn't declare war first. Cowardly actions shouldn't be praised.
And I remember time when we saved Darka from GB. Main reason for that was to keep some balance on Atamara same goes to my previous actions towards Eston, quite Long time ago. Now  thefuture will tell what will happen and I don't mind if Eston would be burned.

[jaune]

Mayby the same reason Taran's "smoked out" all those who had Darkan relatives out from Tara, including few of those who were there when Tara was born, one of them used to be Tyrant of Tara. Except ofcourse Dela Cruz family who was spying Darka for Tara.

It was annoying, as IC and OOCly aswell. Both Hangman and I kept our characters out from army and only participated internal issues, but still we were all the time questioned. Urpo had it enough when he saw Jose "knowing" all Darkan movements and he informed his brother about the Juan who were leaking information and left from Tara.

But Tara still have something what KK respects, much of it has faded... but there is still something.

[Perth]

Kerwin was most definitely King by the time the Carelians took Skalk. That was when the gloating began and the boasts were made. You might not remember but I certainly do. I'll give you a hint: As I recall, it contained the phrases "Eaglin" and "three months".

What was insulting was how Kerwin demanded CE's unconditional surrender. What was insulting was how, even after the war was stalemated, Kerwin still refused to walk away without the Duchy of Eaglin. Eaglin.

Kerwin had plenty of chances to walk away from this war. I can assure you that Kerwin would only be further insulted by the terms that CE would offer now. And unlike Kerwin, CE's leadership avoids insulting their enemies as much as possible. We're polite like that.

.... who are you IC?

I definitely do not remember ever demanding the "unconditional surrender" of CE. Hell, I don't even remember hardly ever even talking to CE. Most of my time and letters were spent trying to pull the alliance together.

And what is so absurd about Eaglin? It is the closest Cagilan city to us, of course that would be our target. I don't understand your emphasis there.

I am honestly bewildered by this perception you have of Kerwin.

[Eirikr]

.... who are you IC?

I'm pretty sure that's the Kinsey family.

[Perth]

I'm pretty sure that's the Kinsey family.

... I don't even know who that is.

[Eirikr]

... I don't even know who that is.

Enri Kinsey, General of the CE and Jean Luc Kinsey, Marshal of Coria's only army.

[Dante Silverfire]

Enri Kinsey, General of the CE and Jean Luc Kinsey, Marshal of Coria's only army.

In other words, the person who has personal control of over half of the military which has been arrayed against the northern alliance during this war. If you take into account he's the most respected allied general in the federation, he essentially determines federation military policy on his own.

In other words, he is the one that has cause CE to "win" Atamara. (With help of course)