Regional protests over war

[Anaris]

Also I just want to say, toxic OOC messages do not help anybody.  There is NO discussion on how to fix the situation before the ships arrive.  Instead it's just a huge "dev-team conspiracy" circle jerk.  It's really insulting as a player to get nothing but garbage OOC message for 2 days straight.

Indeed. There was a similar explosion of OOC messages badmouthing the dev team as being a massive conspiracy against them in both Averoth and Thulsoma.

I would like to point out a few things, that I hope that Mendicant will take to heart, and into the in-game discussion (I can't remember, is he played by DamnTaffer or NoblessChevaleresque?):

• The devs have already located two separate bugs that, together, made this effect much greater than it would otherwise have been. These bugs have been fixed. No, the damage hasn't been reverted: we just don't do that. We didn't take away the family gold that Thulsoma got through exploits, either.
• The situation that Aurvandil has come across is, indeed, an unusual one. In addition to the bugs (one of which may have caused extremely high sympathy to the SA realms in some regions), they had a large number of realms declare war on them, immediately after a secession, when they had already been running very high tax rates, and without any non-combat-class nobles available to mitigate the damage beforehand or repair it afterwards. This unusual—even unprecedented—confluence of circumstances can make it appear as though there's something shady going here. However, if you take it all apart and look carefully, you'll find that only the bugs have anything to do with the devs' actions or lack thereof. All the rest is due to Aurvandil's own action and inaction.
• Despite what has been claimed, both previously in Thulsoma and Averoth and again in Aurvandil, the devs do not run SA. In fact, there are only two devs in SA, and neither of them writes code. I know of at least three other devs on Dwilight (including myself) who have, at various times, interacted with SA, but who have never been on better than lukewarm terms with them. As a concrete example, Alanna Anaris, during her time as Queen of Pian en Luries, invited SA priests to the realm, but had already ensured that they would find next to no interest in the religion amongst the nobility. She has always opposed SA hegemony in the southeast.

Naturally, you can dismiss all this as lies designed to take suspicion away from the true conspiracy. Indeed, that's the usual response when someone provides evidence  that contradicts a conspiracy theory, even when it is not provided by someone who is accused of being part of the conspiracy. However, I would hope that Mendicant's player has enough integrity to at least provide this information to his realm in-game, to let them see a rebuttal of all the hatred and flaming being spewed there in OOC messages, even if some of them will dismiss it as nothing but propaganda.

[Nosferatus]

I agree, I Really HATE Aurvandil, I will make whatever takes to destroy it!!! ... IG. But OOG I must admit they are fun to play against... what better than an evil godless realm!  ;D

I hope they will get out of this in one piece... well, maybe better if is in two or three pieces?

i completly agree.
It's a bit sad some players feel taht everyones against them or something.
While perhaps most of us really like to see a realm like aurvendil around even thou it destroyed the realm and culture you worked years on and plays an pagan one.

Unfortunatly as others have said, these players are extremly paranoid and beliecve everyones against them in an OOC plot.
Which is only true to the part that there diplomatic actions had logical consequences in game, like taking regions claimed or owned by other realms, close to there culutral center or capital, a pagan/heathen stance and other claims or statements that would in any situation not positively benfit its diplomatic stance with others.
Perhaps it comes from the many acusations lots of players made against them for beeing in a clan (me included, i still see it that way) and even multi acount cheating, just or not.
It went on for a long while and probably still does for some.

[mikm]

Do the theocracies actually have gods? Stars are not exactly gods.

[Zakilevo]

Do the theocracies actually have gods? Stars are not exactly gods.

No. They do not worship gods. They do not deny the existence of gods however.

[Indirik]

The Bloodstars are divine things. They are not explicitly described as "gods", though they are worshiped and prayed to.

[fodder]

btw... has anyone looked at sympathy towards a brand new realm formed from secession (from the point of view of all the other realms) yet?

eg.
all regions of A B at low sympathy to each other
C split from B
how does A view C? (don't think the regions of C would view A differently, not much anyway)

[mikm]

Regarding the no atheism policy I saw on wiki. How does Aurvandil fit here?

[Chenier]

btw... has anyone looked at sympathy towards a brand new realm formed from secession (from the point of view of all the other realms) yet?

eg.
all regions of A B at low sympathy to each other
C split from B
how does A view C? (don't think the regions of C would view A differently, not much anyway)

It feels random, even though it probably isn't. Sure feels like the regions sometimes have much higher sympathy for new realms than their parent realms.

[Zakilevo]

Regarding the no atheism policy I saw on wiki. How does Aurvandil fit here?

They are considered pagans.

[Ketchum]

Wow, I just read this. Finally the silver tongue is stronger than a sword eh?

Diplomacy is going be a key part of realm survival. Time to badmouth every realm other than my own realm, should do the trick then 8)

If the message "Realm A people protest over alliance with realm B" appear, time to solve this before any big war is declared. Or else suffer the consequence... ;)


Here's something for you all to think about. If you have a good silver tongue Ambassador/Diplomat.

8 hours of Badmouth Realm B in my realm region.

You spend your bribe money, and are admitted to the mansion of a group of minor nobility known for keeping abreast of local events. You sit down in an elegant parlor with your host and his friends, and talk with them for 8 hours. You feel like your tongue is silver tonight, and every word comes out just right. You feel that your position as Ambassador is lending your words some additional weight in the minds of your listeners.

Your arguments and descriptions are dazzling tonight, and not a person there fails to be impressed. They are hanging on your every word about realm B, and before the end of the evening, you are assured by several very influential people there that they will make sure that everyone they know hears just how bad realm B really is. You have a hard time leaving, with so many people telling you that they would be glad to host another such event for you.

[Nosferatus]

Wow, I just read this. Finally the silver tongue is stronger than a sword eh?

Diplomacy is going be a key part of realm survival. Time to badmouth every realm other than my own realm, should do the trick then 8)

If the message "Realm A people protest over alliance with realm B" appear, time to solve this before any big war is declared. Or else suffer the consequence... ;)


Here's something for you all to think about. If you have a good silver tongue Ambassador/Diplomat.

I think it will be ideal for you to keep a balance instead of choosing either way of the extreme in the game of diplomacy.
if the people don't care about foreign realms(indiferent, not wary) they won't protest over any of your decisions.
If your talking about regions that don't belong to your realm, just make sure those people love your realm, it has many advantages.
The region will protest once war is declared, and if it goes rogue it will join your realm most likley.
This way you could even join a war of your ally and not attack the enemy physicaly, but just with protest and by waiting for there regions to be looted rogue by your ally. ;)
A nice sneaky deal.

[Kwanstein]

The epic struggle between Aurvandil and Terran rages on as Aurvandil plays Courtiermaster while Terran's allies all mutiny due to being too far away from home. Terran for it's part undertakes a perilous expedition against the mighty horde of <20 (!!!) monsters marauding across it's Northernmost regions. Never before has such a cataclysmic struggle between two cosmic titans ever been fought!

[mikm]

From what I've seen, peasants seem to like almost every realm. Few are those they are indifferent to or hate. I thinks looting helps them hate neighbors.

[fodder]

... here's another thought...

a dead realm (ie... no regions, just the odd noble or 2 staying in there) can still exert such influence (until it gets deleted by tom or some such...)

obviously, it can be dealt with by our own diplomats.... (i'm doing that..) but still..
or for that matter... they can have their diplomats doing stuff... theoretically.

[Shizzle]

I find this whole debacle a nice example of imperial overstretch.