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region description reviewing

Started by Nosferatus, November 04, 2012, 07:54:44 AM

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Nosferatus

Are we reviewing region descriptions?
If not i'd like to volunteer helping with that.
It has come to my attention that quite a few descriptions are either missing or are simply horible.
Example:

A quiet eastern front of the Fatmilak island.  It is often overlooked due to the wealth and influence of Candiels.

most regions that need reviewing just dont have a description at all.
Those that have are usually good.
Formerly playing the Nosferatus and Bhrantan Family.
Currently playing the Polytus Family in: Gotland, Madina, Astrum, Outer Tilog

Chenier

Quote from: Nosferatus on November 04, 2012, 07:54:44 AM
Are we reviewing region descriptions?
If not i'd like to volunteer helping with that.
It has come to my attention that quite a few descriptions are either missing or are simply horible.
Example:

A quiet eastern front of the Fatmilak island.  It is often overlooked due to the wealth and influence of Candiels.

most regions that need reviewing just dont have a description at all.
Those that have are usually good.

Do they not have any descriptions because their descriptions weren't reviewed, or because they never had a lord that actually bothered with putting one up?

I'm inclined to think it's the latter.
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Nosferatus

Quote from: Chénier on November 04, 2012, 01:57:29 PM
Do they not have any descriptions because their descriptions weren't reviewed, or because they never had a lord that actually bothered with putting one up?

I'm inclined to think it's the latter.

Offcourse, but by reviewing them we get a picture of what regions need to be improved or are simply empty.
From there we can contact the players who play the ruler in the realm and the lord of those regions with the request to either improve the region description or add one.
If a lord doesn't bother it doesn mean we can't motivate that lord to change it.
If hes still not bothered, the realm/ruler could suggest something the lord could just copy and paste.
Formerly playing the Nosferatus and Bhrantan Family.
Currently playing the Polytus Family in: Gotland, Madina, Astrum, Outer Tilog

Penchant

Quote from: Nosferatus on November 04, 2012, 07:54:44 AM
Are we reviewing region descriptions?
If not i'd like to volunteer helping with that.
It has come to my attention that quite a few descriptions are either missing or are simply horible.
Example:

A quiet eastern front of the Fatmilak island.  It is often overlooked due to the wealth and influence of Candiels.

most regions that need reviewing just dont have a description at all.
Those that have are usually good.
One issue I have seen are good descriptions being replaced with rather terrible ones during wars because the new lord doesn't like the description because it was made by the enemy realm, IMO, though I could be wrong.
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
― G.K. Chesterton

fodder

..... except it's not meant to matter who the lord or realm is.. it's a description of the region. geographical, not political.
firefox

Nosferatus

Quote from: Penchant on November 04, 2012, 04:22:07 PM
One issue I have seen are good descriptions being replaced with rather terrible ones during wars because the new lord doesn't like the description because it was made by the enemy realm, IMO, though I could be wrong.

It happens sometimes, my example was one of them.
But in general that doesn't happen often.
Either way a team of reviewers could inform the ruler of this or perhaps even revert the change.
Formerly playing the Nosferatus and Bhrantan Family.
Currently playing the Polytus Family in: Gotland, Madina, Astrum, Outer Tilog

Indirik

That would require the game to retain the old description as well as the current one. So far as I know, this does not happen. Once the new description is saved, the old one disappears.
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Tom

I'd like to include wiki text, because the wiki does keep a history of changes. Unfortunately, I haven't found a way to include the rendered text without the region box (which would be redundant on the in-game region details page).

Nosferatus

Quote from: Tom on November 04, 2012, 11:07:41 PM
I'd like to include wiki text, because the wiki does keep a history of changes. Unfortunately, I haven't found a way to include the rendered text without the region box (which would be redundant on the in-game region details page).

There is no way to standardize all wiki pages linked from BM to a region name?
Or if its just as much time consuming, i am sure we can rally up a small team to manually add the region box to every single region in the game.
I can do 50 a week, its just copy paste basically.
Perhaps we could even lock that region box to its page, in other words protect the region box from beeing edited or removed from a page.

Besides all these details, what do you think about activating a team to review the region descriptions again?
Formerly playing the Nosferatus and Bhrantan Family.
Currently playing the Polytus Family in: Gotland, Madina, Astrum, Outer Tilog

fodder

wiki text is likely to be way too long for description tab (or just plain blank). stick a wiki link in the description tab is probably a better idea.

if description being overwritten for political reason is a big issue, you could make it so all changes are submitted pending review. (so.. 2 boxes... current and submitted)
firefox

Tom

The problem isn't adding the region boxes, it is not displaying them when using the wiki text from the game via... ah, too tired to explain.


Here's the first challenge: Which region description? The one in-game or the one on the wiki?


Nosferatus

Quote from: Tom on November 05, 2012, 07:41:25 AM
The problem isn't adding the region boxes, it is not displaying them when using the wiki text from the game via... ah, too tired to explain.


Here's the first challenge: Which region description? The one in-game or the one on the wiki?

But there must be someway to moderate at-least the region descriptions in game?
In my eyes it just takes looking at every region description and make notes on empty descriptions and really bad ones.
Perhaps once changed old descriptions cant be get back but at-least we can ask the lord to improve it.
All we need is volunteers, i'd be the first one.
Formerly playing the Nosferatus and Bhrantan Family.
Currently playing the Polytus Family in: Gotland, Madina, Astrum, Outer Tilog

Eldargard

I would say that in game descriptions are the most important to focus on. I consider anything in game to have greater weight than something on the wiki. I sometimes wonder if having region pages in the wiki are a bad thing.

Penchant

Quote from: Unwin on November 05, 2012, 09:20:41 AM
I would say that in game descriptions are the most important to focus on. I consider anything in game to have greater weight than something on the wiki. I sometimes wonder if having region pages in the wiki are a bad thing.
The wiki is considered in game.
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
― G.K. Chesterton

Tom

Quote from: Unwin on November 05, 2012, 09:20:41 AM
I would say that in game descriptions are the most important to focus on. I consider anything in game to have greater weight than something on the wiki. I sometimes wonder if having region pages in the wiki are a bad thing.

Originally, it was just easier there, and allowed for more linking, formating, etc.

But with the better editor now...

Then again, the wiki has history.

But in-game we can control who can update it.

So it's still pretty much - there is no perfect place.