Kabrinskia, Astrum, and other such stuff of the North Western Astroist states.

[T Strike]

Hence the quotes.

[Chenier]

Allison is rapidly losing her support within the church, and she knows it. The current elders are not willing to allow her to run rampant. She has lost power. And she's not likely to get it back. That's why it *is* in her best interests to separate from the church. By starting a new church, she can be the one in control. And that's what it's all about.

But she can't do that up north. She has given the prophet her oath that she won't start a new church, and he's not likely to release her from that. If she starts a new church in any of the theocracies it will soon get crushed. That's why she's moving south.

Allison is clearly loved in the South. ;)

I don't think there's anywhere Allison could successfully pull this off successfully. She could try in the Lurias, but even then...

[Meneldur]

"The act of your leaving Sanguis Astroism (...) would release you from the oaths you have made to the Church."

"-But, Lady Allison, are you not an apostate?

-The Prophet himself said that I was released from any oath I made! He said I was free to go!

-Indeed the Prophet said so, it must be right."

I don't think the oath-breaking/release from oaths thing will be anywhere near as significant as people are making it out to be if a schism actually occurs.

Sure, I agree that is is significant insomuch as Allison's personal pride will not allow her to schism while the oath is valid. However I find it very hard to imagine that people are going to think its ok or sanctioned for Allison to leave and found a new Church just because she didn't break a specific oath. Apostasy and schism are going to be condemned either way; if Constantine left SA and founded his own religion are people going to say it's alright just because he hasn't sworn any oath not to do so?

[Indirik]

They might say it's OK, based on who is doing it. I can't imagine Constantine doing it, but he's one of the few who I feel could get away with it.

[Chenier]

I don't think the oath-breaking/release from oaths thing will be anywhere near as significant as people are making it out to be if a schism actually occurs.

Sure, I agree that is is significant insomuch as Allison's personal pride will not allow her to schism while the oath is valid. However I find it very hard to imagine that people are going to think its ok or sanctioned for Allison to leave and found a new Church just because she didn't break a specific oath. Apostasy and schism are going to be condemned either way; if Constantine left SA and founded his own religion are people going to say it's alright just because he hasn't sworn any oath not to do so?

Indeed. Allison's influence is waning. Even if you code new options for her, it won't help. Being her own boss won't be of any help, because her greatest strength is being able to hide behind the SA moderates that would never follow her into a schism. The non-SA world is hostile to her, and the SA world is marginalizing her more and more.

She did a few mistakes too many. Had she been an instigator for a crusade against Aurvandil, she probably could have helped prevent this influence erosion some... But she took the wrong side.

[Indirik]

Back before the Crusade debates, Allison tried to get an offensive going. The church didn't want to, because we had to debate the crusade matter first. Once that was settled, and we decided to not do the crusade, the theocracies decided to go on their own. Then Allison went against that, because it wasn't an official crusade. She sounded very pro-Aurvandil while doing it.

Allison' biggest mistake, I think, is in opposing anything that is not her idea, or which she is not leading.

[Chenier]

Back before the Crusade debates, Allison tried to get an offensive going. The church didn't want to, because we had to debate the crusade matter first. Once that was settled, and we decided to not do the crusade, the theocracies decided to go on their own. Then Allison went against that, because it wasn't an official crusade. She sounded very pro-Aurvandil while doing it.

Allison' biggest mistake, I think, is in opposing anything that is not her idea, or which she is not leading.

Indeed. She should have took advantage of the situation to her own ends, instead of trying to counter it.

[Vellos]

Back before the Crusade debates, Allison tried to get an offensive going. The church didn't want to, because we had to debate the crusade matter first. Once that was settled, and we decided to not do the crusade, the theocracies decided to go on their own. Then Allison went against that, because it wasn't an official crusade. She sounded very pro-Aurvandil while doing it.

Allison' biggest mistake, I think, is in opposing anything that is not her idea, or which she is not leading.

+1

Her downfall was her prideful belief that she could and should be a controlling power, rather than an influencing power. Much the same way Hireshmont's power in the Moot has waned.

[Zakilevo]

So this is the end for Allison? :o

[dustole]

She isn't dead yet...

[Gustav Kuriga]

Not dead, but she's alienate many of her old allies. Even Gustav would spit at her name in distaste.

[dustole]

 ;)

[Glaumring the Fox]

 8)

[Nosferatus]

Allison should join Luria or Fissoa, get away from 'em stargazers 'n find a new target.

[Daycryn]

She should go somewhere and found a new church. That way she can be a Prophetess.

and then SA can really declare a Crusade!