Kabrinskia, Astrum, and other such stuff of the North Western Astroist states.

[Vellos]

Not seeing SA so much as a parasite and more as a predator who I'd like to see become more... Vicious. ;)

You could make it more vicious. By joining and being a war-hawk.

Now, obviously that doesn't really fit Alura's IC position. But the point is that you can't OOC complain about things being stagnant or boring when the political system you are striving for is the very thing that's driving the stagnation.

Of course, the idea of Dwilight as a stagnant continent is utterly laughable.

[Ehndras]

Not a stagnant continent, just nowhere near its full potential. Nowhere near.

[Ehndras]

Meh. Fine. I'll give it a try.

[Chenier]

You can also not be an astroist and work to limit astroism's growth without actively going out against them and offering yourself as a sacrifice to fuel their unity.

IMO, SA isn't a problem for Dwilight at all right now. It's not as if it's killing more interesting faiths, either. Despite being an elder of one of the secondary faiths, I doubt any religion on Dwilight is as dynamic as SA is. The problem with the North is a purely secular matter. It's not about SA per say, it's about realms surrounding themselves with federated allies on all sides, and then a big buffer of unaligned friendly states. SA has nothing to do with that.

[Indirik]

Everyone just sees a wall of SA banners, there is no clear distinction between Astroist nations beside Kabrinskia, and who are we kidding, that's entirely because of Allison.

Honestly, I am very glad this is the impression that SA gives to those outside of it. Because nothing could be farther from the truth. But so long as our enemies believe, that, then it's cool.

And really, it sounds like you've really swallowed Allison's propaganda. Hook, line and sinker.

Its already proven that the SA can come together to fight someone, now I want to see what else it can do. If the only way you can do that is by poking it then by the Gods will I encourage people to poke the sleeping bear, hehe.

Please do. Its been too long since someone has stood up and put on the red shirt.

If you want to see SA have more complicated politics, then join SA. I'm serious. The only thing keeping SA from eating itself is that there are still radically anti-SA people out there: in Asylon, in the Moot, in the Lurias, in the Orvandeux.

This. So true. So true...

[Chenier]

The greatest threat to pragmatic anti-astroists are paranoid anti-astroists, and not astroists themselves...

I'm pretty sure the North was pretty close to some kind of collapse when Aurvandil came up. Had Aurvandil not betrayed the 'moot and forced them to seek help, I'm quite confident things would look quite differently up north right now.

SA is BIG. Sure, there's Allison, and she has a lot of cronies. But getting all of these people together is something nobody can achieve alone. And it's much easier for an outside party to provoke SA into doing something than for someone on the inside to do the same.

[T Strike]

Oh dear lord, that would be the single most amazing thing... If allison created an ANTI SA and challenged SA with about the same strength... Ugh... Sounds so funnnnnn!!!!

[Chenier]

Oh dear lord, that would be the single most amazing thing... If allison created an ANTI SA and challenged SA with about the same strength... Ugh... Sounds so funnnnnn!!!!

Not really...

I tend to consider people overestimate Allison these days... She isn't a nobody, but she isn't all-powerful either.

[T Strike]

I don't expect it to happen either... More people dislike her than like her... But if she had some sort of other... followers...  (cough that southern saxon realm cough) what if... she... *dies*

[Anaris]

You're all wrong, of course.

The greatest threat to SA is my free time.

Because when I have enough of it, I will be coding up religious schisms.

[Penchant]

You're all wrong, of course.

The greatest threat to SA is my free time.

Because when I have enough of it, I will be coding up religious schisms.

haha nice. It will be great when its made.

[Lanyon]

To get rid of a species, getting rid of its FOOD sure could work. And this would be a better analogy. There are no predators to SA, just prey.

In agricultural pest management, this is done. If you get too much of a pest for some crop, then it's usually a good idea to change crops for a few years to starve the larvae out.

You mean to say that the lurias couldn't defeat Morek and corsanctum? i think they could if they ever stopped fighting one another and actually went to war with someone and a competent general. I think Aurvandil shouldn't be counted down and out either. There is a long way between the two but still i think 1v1 no astroist could survive us.

[Gustav Kuriga]

Considering Morek won a 3 vs 1 war that caught them when they were way down south fighting aquilegia... I'd say Morek is perfectly capable of a one on one fight. Morek is a haven of military minded players.

[Kwanstein]

I'm pretty sure the North was pretty close to some kind of collapse when Aurvandil came up. Had Aurvandil not betrayed the 'moot and forced them to seek help, I'm quite confident things would look quite differently up north right now.

What you're saying is that in order for the North to change, the rest of the continent would have to stagnate. This is flawed thinking for a couple of reasons.

First of all other islands have seen continent-wide stagnation with no natural recovery. The East Continent was so peaceful at one point that GMs had to coerce it's rulers into wars via threats of lightning bolts. The Colonies as far as I can tell is also in a sorry state, with only 3 realms holding any real power with no non-contrived conflict forseeable between them. So eliminating all destabilizing elements doesn't necessarily bring around a natural revival afterwards... instead it creates situations where leaders have to make up contrived reasons for war, sometimes under duress. It essentially poses the same problem that North has now, just on an island wide scale.

Secondly you (or someone else) previously mentioned that only 20% of Dwilight's characters are in the Aristocracies. So what you're calling for, is for 80% of the characters to stop their action so that the other 20% can get on with theirs. This doesn't make sense from a practical stand point, because it would be harder to organise the 80% than it would be to organise the 20%.

[Glaumring the Fox]

Amen to what he said.