Kabrinskia, Astrum, and other such stuff of the North Western Astroist states.

[NoblesseChevaleresque]

I don't know how Aurvandil can say they haven't been successful in the war so far. They've been hugely successful.

1. They knocked Barca out of the war and put them on the brink of death from which they are only now barely recovering from.
2. They defeated the combined 'Moot forces soundly in the field.
3. They sacked Paisland and Paisly.
4. They TO'ed Paisland and Paisly.
5. They established a buffer realm colony in Paisly.
6. They have retaken Paisland.
7. They have struck deep into Terran territory.

8. No Aurvandil region has suffered attack the entire war, nor has Aurvandil lost a battle.


They are utterly dominating in every way possible.

Interesting you should say that, from the Aurvandilan point of view we've done terribly in this war, we've won a few battles and swatted Barca, but otherwise achieved little else. We can win as many battles as we like, but if we can't solidified our victory in any sort of real results to further the war then we can hardly consider ourselves to be winning. Our performance has been quite limp, and failed to make any sort of decisive gain or victory, whilst the number of enemies arrayed against us has grown exponentially.

people hate Aurvandil because they act like a bunch of elitists who don't give a crap about anybody, and everyone else is worse than them and so are their lands (role playing Barca's capital as a bunch of mud huts and extremely uncivilized.)

I hate to have to point this out to you for a second time, but that never happened, stop saying it did when you full well it didn't. And well, I think it's pretty clear Aurvandil cared about Barca and D'Hara, considering how much time we wasted trying to ingratiate ourselves to them and to give them what they wanted out of a peace.

Sure you can act like that but it tends to piss people off, especially since your diplomacy generally sucks too. (Declaring war on Kabrinskia to arrest a priest with a notification mere hours beforehand instead of having their ruler order the priest to leave.)

You can say it sucks, but it got the result we wanted in the manner we wanted.

Yes. Yes, it is.

I really hope that you will come to realize the degree to which the attitudes of the players in Aurvandil is very different from that of those in the rest of the game.

And that's where we succeed. We have the right attitude, the game is meant to be played by active players who want to be active and try to be.

[Indirik]

I'm not sure of the exact instance to which you are referring. The usual context in which something like that is cited is the case of a "friendly war", where two sides agree to a declared war in order to do something that they otherwise couldn't. For example, Realm A declares war on Realm B so they can take a region from Realm B, with Realm B allowing them to do it uncontested, the declaring cease-fire once the region is taken. i.e. there is no way to take the region without a war, so they declare a "war" they don't intend to fight to allow them to transfer a region.

The other possibility, which no longer applies, would be to declare a war and have occasional meaningless battles to avoid the (now removed) TMP penalties. Neither side really wants to fight the war, and has no intentions of looting, taking regions, or actually making it a real war, it's just a mere formality to avoid game mechanics penalties. (I know of one instance where such a thing was actually proposed IG.)

[Vellos]

I'm not sure of the exact instance to which you are referring. The usual context in which something like that is cited is the case of a "friendly war", where two sides agree to a declared war in order to do something that they otherwise couldn't. For example, Realm A declares war on Realm B so they can take a region from Realm B, with Realm B allowing them to do it uncontested, the declaring cease-fire once the region is taken. i.e. there is no way to take the region without a war, so they declare a "war" they don't intend to fight to allow them to transfer a region.

The other possibility, which no longer applies, would be to declare a war and have occasional meaningless battles to avoid the (now removed) TMP penalties. Neither side really wants to fight the war, and has no intentions of looting, taking regions, or actually making it a real war, it's just a mere formality to avoid game mechanics penalties. (I know of one instance where such a thing was actually proposed IG.)

Also, the northern realms are fighting– just not always with soldiers. Gold and food are powerful weapons. As are large-scale public diplomatic denunciations.

[Jim]

Maybe people are just jealous of Aurvandil.  ;) Just maybe...

*Stands up and begins the slow clap*

http://youtu.be/31M_MdSVxV8

[Penchant]

Don't like Aurvandil?

Why not gather people who hate Aurvandil enough to join a new realm and move every turn?  ;)

Sounds like clanning if its done OOC, which is what it sounds like you are suggesting.

[Penchant]

I'm quite sure a while back Tom declared it's against the game rules to declare war if you don't actually intend to fight, it was some issue over people declaring war frequently despite having no intention to fight.

Says the guy who declared war on Kabrinskia just to capture a priest, then expects peace immediately afterwards, so that kinda sounds like declaring war when you don't intend to fight. I do not know if this is actually a rule but isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black? And how can you say that the realms didn't intend to fight even though they were complaining that their men were deserting so they thought the feature was done to heavily?

[NoblesseChevaleresque]

Says the guy who declared war on Kabrinskia just to capture a priest, then expects peace immediately afterwards, so that kinda sounds like declaring war when you don't intend to fight. I do not know if this is actually a rule but isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black? And how can you say that the realms didn't intend to fight even though they were complaining that their men were deserting so they thought the feature was done to heavily?

When Aurvandil declared war on Kabrinskia we drew our swords and made it clear we would not tolerate any form of subterfuge from priests or clergy, promptly arresting those responsible. The use of priests against us was an act of war on the part of Kabrinskia as far as we cared, and we made it clear we would retaliate in kind and stand our ground on issue should the Grandmaster not keep his priests in line.

I never said the realms didn't intend to fight, but based on what other people were saying that was the case and so I asked about previous instances where such actions were frowned upon.

[Glaumring the Fox]

Keep doing what yer doing if its pissing people off in Bm you can be sure you are doing the right thing...

[NoblesseChevaleresque]

Keep doing what yer doing if its pissing people off in Bm you can be sure you are doing the right thing...

Only on the forums, it's much harder to piss some one off in character.

[Daycryn]

Keep doing what yer doing if its pissing people off in Bm you can be sure you are doing the right thing...

Gauihu's ghost appreciates this sentiment.

[egamma]

Sounds like clanning if its done OOC, which is what it sounds like you are suggesting.

Clanning is only against the rules if it excludes others.

[Vellos]

Clanning is only against the rules if it excludes others.

And an OOC clan to destroy an IC realm is by definition exclusive of players associated with that realm.

[Perth]

I agree. Meta-gaming is taking an action that makes no sense in context, only because the player knows the game mechanics effect. Declaring war for intimidation purposes is a perfectly legitimate IC move; the game mechanics actually reflect the IC intent.

I'm quite sure a while back Tom declared it's against the game rules to declare war if you don't actually intend to fight, it was some issue over people declaring war frequently despite having no intention to fight.

This isn't what is happening at all. All of the northern realms that declared war on Aurvandil HAVE participated militarily already. Terran and D'Hara didn't raise 35,000 CS to retake Paisly by themselves. Astrum, Kabrinskia, Morek, Corsanctum, and even Iashular were all militarily involved in retaking Paisland and Paisly.

[Penchant]

And an OOC clan to destroy an IC realm is by definition exclusive of players associated with that realm.

Is it though? If they are willing to fight Aurvandil why would a group against Aurvandil complain. You make it sound like we are against the players themselves but we are not. But even if this realm is created there is only one possible way I would have a character in it as I am not going to change the plans of my character nor will I stop playing him for this, and the only way it could work is unlikely.

[Vellos]

Is it though? If they are willing to fight Aurvandil why would a group against Aurvandil complain. You make it sound like we are against the players themselves but we are not. But even if this realm is created there is only one possible way I would have a character in it as I am not going to change the plans of my character nor will I stop playing him for this, and the only way it could work is unlikely.

I'm sorry, but a group of players OOC organizing to, say, mass-immigrate, found a new realm, make hyper-active armies, or something like that, not due to IC motivations of their characters, but because they dislike what a certain realm, to them, represents (essentially OOCly), and then kill off that realm they don't like is practically the textbook definition of exclusive clanning.