Southern War of Nobility (Civil war in Madina)

[Chenier]

There is nothing against the SMA in playing a bossy character that orders around everyone else though.

I prefer scorning and making nobles that don't follow orders feel shameful. I don't use cap locks to yell at people in my orders myself.

[Jens Namtrah]

There is nothing against the SMA in playing a bossy character that orders around everyone else though.

no, but there's an SMA way of being bossy.

They can RP anyway they like, but I don't have to stay there is all. "The are other realms to try", as the saying goes.

[De-Legro]

no, but there's an SMA way of being bossy.

They can RP anyway they like, but I don't have to stay there is all. "The are other realms to try", as the saying goes.

Well the marshal in PeL can be quite bossy, though I don't think he has been recently.

[Jens Namtrah]

Well the marshal in PeL can be quite bossy, though I don't think he has been recently.

as I said, "bossy" isn't the issue. Just address him as you would a medieval Lord or knight when you do so. otherwise, I may as well go play "Combat Commander", or find a wealthier realm.

[De-Legro]

as I said, "bossy" isn't the issue. Just address him as you would a medieval Lord or knight when you do so. otherwise, I may as well go play "Combat Commander", or find a wealthier realm.

Depending on the exact time period and country, low ranking Lords and Knights didn't get a whole heap of actual respect.

[Jens Namtrah]

Depending on the exact time period and country, low ranking Lords and Knights didn't get a whole heap of actual respect.

Well, the exact time period and country in this case is Now and Dwilight, and the respect you give ought to reflect how badly you want nobles to stick around.

Call it SMA, or call it Jens' pride, but if you do the drill sergeant bit with him he'll simply walk away.

[Sacha]

Thing is, we aren't low-ranking nobles. We are the cream of the crop, the alpha dogs, the very top of the pyramid. The fact we're all player-controlled characters means we're elevated above the minor (NPC) nobility.

[Phellan]

Well, the exact time period and country in this case is Now and Dwilight, and the respect you give ought to reflect how badly you want nobles to stick around.

Call it SMA, or call it Jens' pride, but if you do the drill sergeant bit with him he'll simply walk away.

In this case it's a young noble coming in, demanding to be called a "Lord", despite the fact he was banned and therefore stripped of his title.   For an old soldier like Vallyn, better believe that doesn't sit well with him.    Compare his Prestige and Honour to yours - he's one of the most prestigious and honourable nobles on the island, as are several other of the Madinan Grand Council.   


Kill a few things, make a name for yourself in Madina and show yourself to be a callous, hearty warrior from the Barony and well, Vallyn (along with Abbot and Halicos) might just like you quite a bit.   But as it stands now Vallyn has been working towards killing Aurvandil for a while, and he's got little patience for ANYONE screwing that up.   

In an OOC fashion I actually like Jens, he's pretty amusing.   

As for ignoring your messages - we've made several larger Realm wide messages based off of comments you have made, I agree sometimes it gets a bit quiet and we need to keep folks updated on how things are going.    Unfortunately 90% of our discussions are in the Grand Council since those are the most active players.   Makes it hard to include everyone -.-  Outside of the daily orders or updates on political stuff.

Not that I've got a political related message in nearly a week. . .so much for all the negotiating we've been doing lately.

[JPierreD]

If as a player you are not enjoying the way you are being treated, find some other realm. It is not a problem having a mistreated noble character, but an annoyed player is a sign that there is a problem, either in the way the player is taking IC stuff, or in the way that IC stuff is being handled by the rest.

The easiest solution: try a change of IC actions, try some IC reactions to the treatment, and if nothing works, move to another realm where you feel better treated.

[Nosferatus]

Or wait till Madina turns back to normal after the state of emergency is lifted.
There is a huge difference between emergency state and normal state of Madina
Where now you basically have no right and other wise you'd have the most rights any other realm would offer.

But if your just looking to get acknowledged as a lord while your not, then in no state will you find that probably in any realm...
Especialy on Dwilight and especially in Madina.
The moto its self says it: "Any may seek their fortune here, but as with the pirates of old, only the bravest and most hearty of nobles find it."

What ever you left at home, you will have to re earn it here.

The wild is only fit for some, not everyone.

[Jens Namtrah]

I think I've already clarified that there is more to it than that.

The problems in Madina seem to be similar to those in this thread - you make an effort to explain things clearly, but they are not carefully read or acknowledged.

Abbott is as guilty as any others - Jens has followed "orders" to a "T" and still gets publically rebuked and a letter from Abbott warning him "but that doesn't mean your excluded from the rest and allowed to ignore the orders your brothers do follow. " Still hasn't acknowledged Jens' response.

This is all IC, guys, but you are being incredibly insulting toward Jens - I would have difficulty rp-ing him as NOT being pissed off.

[Nathan]

I pretty much agree with everything Phellan said. Halicos is the second most honourable noble on the island, something he takes great pride in and rarely speaks with nobles below his station (it was rather difficult playing as the Lord Admiral since almost everyone was below his station :P). If Jens proves himself, you'll find Halicos becomes very friendly, most likely because he'll be someone to sell food to. I see no harm in saying that Jens already has Halicos' vote for Duke of Candiels when we get it back because he has proved himself, it's just Halicos can't tell him that.

There is definitely the issue of how active Madina seems to knights of the realm and I'll agree that something needs to be done, I'm just not sure what. With the way Madina is, I think the best thing would be for knights to bug their Lords requesting information from them. At the moment, power is spread amongst the Lords with each holding various amounts of sway in the Council. We may requests of those higher up to do things, e.g. Dukes ask for permission to add bits of land to their duchy. I think a natural extension of this is for knights to request information about what's going on - Halicos' knight has had a bit of this with him being sent out to trade with The Zuma, something I think Jens will know nothing about?

If we wish to go down that route, a slight empowering of knights, how would we do it?

[Jens Namtrah]

I pretty much agree with everything Phellan said. Halicos is the second most honourable noble on the island, something he takes great pride in and rarely speaks with nobles below his station (it was rather difficult playing as the Lord Admiral since almost everyone was below his station :P). If Jens proves himself, you'll find Halicos becomes very friendly, most likely because he'll be someone to sell food to. I see no harm in saying that Jens already has Halicos' vote for Duke of Candiels when we get it back because he has proved himself, it's just Halicos can't tell him that.

There is definitely the issue of how active Madina seems to knights of the realm and I'll agree that something needs to be done, I'm just not sure what. With the way Madina is, I think the best thing would be for knights to bug their Lords requesting information from them. At the moment, power is spread amongst the Lords with each holding various amounts of sway in the Council. We may requests of those higher up to do things, e.g. Dukes ask for permission to add bits of land to their duchy. I think a natural extension of this is for knights to request information about what's going on - Halicos' knight has had a bit of this with him being sent out to trade with The Zuma, something I think Jens will know nothing about?

If we wish to go down that route, a slight empowering of knights, how would we do it?

that's a good question, and I'll give it some thought.

I want to clarify again - I jumped into this thread in a bit of a joking manner about how Jens was going to start ignoring people who wouldn't call him Lord. OOC, I like Madina fine (minus the drill-sergeant manner of address certain characters use  ;) ). I was getting a little frustrated 'cuz I thought Jens was being perfectly clear about things that were bothering him, and being completely ignored.

Maybe the easy answer will just be to relax his personality a little - I had to change it a bit for SMA, maybe went too far in the serious direction.

[Nathan]

Maybe the easy answer will just be to relax his personality a little - I had to change it a bit for SMA, maybe went too far in the serious direction.

I think it was that Jens says he is a Lord, but nobody in Madina has seen any evidence of it. He was a Lord on another continent, not Dwilight. It stands to reason that the histories of other lands have not yet reached Dwilight (new land, etc) so we only have to go off collective memories - if five people arrive from Darka and all say that they used to be mercenaries, it's probably true. But when one noble says "well I was a Lord, so call me Lord", most of us just say "yeah, sure and I'm the Holy Lord Emperor of all Blobsville, a massive continent a long way away from here".

Jens' personality is certainly interesting, if not a little misplaced. If he does get that Lordship, he'll certainly seem a little similar to Halicos in demanding people use his title (I've scared a few new knights with that and I've had to beat it into the current one a bit, but I think it adds to the atmosphere). I'd say keep it up, it's definitely got Jens noticed and it adds some flavour to it.

With regards to the Lord Admiral spouting orders, that's part of Madina's laws. In times of crisis command of everything military reverts to the Lord Admiral. Once we get Candiels back the state of emergency will be lifted and control will go back to the Dukes. Candiels Duke will likely want a few regions adding to his/her duchy, so will order their army to do that. Abbot probably wants the rest of Madina island to be added to his duchy. I'm not sure what Fionn will do, but if Halicos was Duke of The Tower, he'd be renting out The Tower's army to Abbot/Candiels to help add regions to their duchies :D

[Phellan]

I'm not sure what Fionn will do, but if Halicos was Duke of The Tower, he'd be renting out The Tower's army to Abbot/Candiels to help add regions to their duchies :D

LOL, no wonder everyone thinks the Doge has no say in anything.   

My only saving grace is that Vallyn has enough prestige and honour for Halicos to work with him ;)