Southern War of Nobility (Civil war in Madina)

[Chenier]

I believe the nobles of Madina should think again when judging Aurvandil for executing a new player's character.

The noble still received messages after his death and before he was buried, this was his reaction:
"So I read through the scores of letters where the Madina nobles mocked him and laughed and rejoiced at his death."

That indicates to me that also little effort was made on Madina's part to help him understand the game mechanisms. And to mock a newbie for his ignorance is just a wrong as executing him.

Indeed, I saw his message. That event wasn't about to make him quit. Rather, it seemed to make him more interested.

[Nathan]

The noble still received messages after his death and before he was buried, this was his reaction:
"So I read through the scores of letters where the Madina nobles mocked him and laughed and rejoiced at his death."

I'd like to see those messages because as a player of Madina, I didn't get any... I sent one to the Council which he wouldn't have seen, but from the whole realm I only saw good comments about him.

[egamma]

I'd say mocking a noob for being executed would make an interesting case for the Magistrates.

[Vellos]

I'd say mocking a noob for being executed would make an interesting case for the Magistrates.

I would agree with this. I don't know how I would rule on it, but I'd love to argue about it.

[egamma]

Social Contract:
"Do not insult or harrass other players "
"Absolutely no verbal attacks, insults or harrassment of other players."

None of the other rules (IR, rules and policies page, etc) mention anything about treating newcomers differently.

Of course, there would have to be some evidence presented.

[Chenier]

Social Contract:
"Do not insult or harrass other players "
"Absolutely no verbal attacks, insults or harrassment of other players."

None of the other rules (IR, rules and policies page, etc) mention anything about treating newcomers differently.

Of course, there would have to be some evidence presented.

It would be related, I assume, to the social contracts about playing like friends around a table at a board game. If you introduce a friend to a new game, you aren't gonna go mock him if he makes mistakes (if you intend for him to keep playing with you later).

[Nathan]

Can this part be split off into its own "don't bash noobs" thread and keep this one about the civil war?

On topic: Recently found out I had a Lord of D'Hara in Halicos' contacts book, makes life so much easier now I know when caravans shall be coming. Let's hope some of that lovely gold gets here in time for the next attack, I sense another 500+ gold splurge coming up! :P

[Galvez]

It started of as hate Aurvandil more because they execute new player's characters. I always enjoy pointing fingers to Madina as well. So you could say it is much like and about the civil war.  ;)

[Jens Namtrah]

Please - he was mocked In-game because of his In-game character's behavior.  We also thought he might have been a spy, right up till his death.

That I recall,  there was only one "mocking" letter, and several that reprimanded the mocker for it - all for In-game reasons.

Furthermore, I'm sure the mocker - and probably the judge who executed him and plenty of other characters in the area - weren't even aware he was a new player. We don't all spend time reading everyone's user page or pouring over the wiki

[Nathan]

That I recall,  there was only one "mocking" letter, and several that reprimanded the mocker for it - all for In-game reasons.

I must really be missing something. I only see one from you (this the one you're referring to?), then 3 defending him (Abbot, Coturnix and Warren).

Furthermore, I'm sure the mocker - and probably the judge who executed him and plenty of other characters in the area - weren't even aware he was a new player.

Actually, I was aware but I still mocked. Bad of me, I know, but I did it only to the Council and made it rather clear it was because he had 4 honour and was an Outlaw.

[Jens Namtrah]

I must really be missing something. I only see one from you (this the one you're referring to?), then 3 defending him (Abbot, Coturnix and Warren).

Actually, I was aware but I still mocked. Bad of me, I know, but I did it only to the Council and made it rather clear it was because he had 4 honour and was an Outlaw.

precisely. 1 mocking him (from me), which wasn't even a "direct mock" if you like  ("It seems we may have found common ground with the rebels"), and several (3) saying we shouldn't mock him even if he was a pain, since he died for Madina. Didn't know about your council letter, but neither did he.

I had asked permission from Abbot to stab him a few days earlier because I thought he was a spy and in Madina to stir up trouble.

I think the people on the forum really have no idea what they are talking about.

[Phellan]

I believe the nobles of Madina should think again when judging Aurvandil for executing a new player's character.

The noble still received messages after his death and before he was buried, this was his reaction:
"So I read through the scores of letters where the Madina nobles mocked him and laughed and rejoiced at his death."

That indicates to me that also little effort was made on Madina's part to help him understand the game mechanisms. And to mock a newbie for his ignorance is just a wrong as executing him.

I think one or two nobles commented on it at most in a negative way, and really their characters are kind of jerks.

Most of us are just as outraged IC as we are OOC.   

[Perth]

While I agree with being more leniant with newbs, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be accountable for their actions in any ways. It's a learning experience after all.

Sure, but many more options to punish the noble than torturing him to death.

[egamma]

Sure, but many more options to punish the noble than torturing him to death.

That's flavor text for any execution of a noble with no honor.

[Chenier]

Sure, but many more options to punish the noble than torturing him to death.

Right, like actually torturing him?

Or, you are right, we should give him the standard "rot in my cells for 7 days while I completely ignore you". That's much more exciting for newbies.

To think of it, new players haven't achieved much of anything (the aren't new anymore when they have). They are the ones executions hurt the least. Indeed, it takes very little away from them, and gives them all of the standard perks, plus rather important visibility and notoriety. Nobody knew who the hell that guy was before. Now, everyone is speaking of him. That's gold.