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Changing character name - allowed?
« Topic Start: December 14, 2012, 06:49:43 AM »
Hey, I want to emigrate a character. However, a character already exists there with the same name. Am I allowed to change his name (maybe adding a number, so from Gilbert to Gilbert II) in this instance? Or it is really exclusively for inappropriateness?
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Re: Changing character name - allowed?
« Reply #1: December 14, 2012, 02:06:49 PM »
It really is exclusively for inappropriateness.
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Re: Changing character name - allowed?
« Reply #2: December 14, 2012, 02:07:59 PM »
Then how can the emigration be handled?

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Re: Changing character name - allowed?
« Reply #3: December 14, 2012, 02:57:02 PM »
You can't emmigrate to an island that already contains a character of the same name.
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Re: Changing character name - allowed?
« Reply #4: December 15, 2012, 02:57:06 PM »
Then how can the emigration be handled?

You can create a new character, or emigrate to a different continent.
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Re: Changing character name - allowed?
« Reply #5: December 15, 2012, 09:56:41 PM »
You can create a new character, or emigrate to a different continent.
Is it really that big of a deal that he can't add something trivial to his name to allow the emigration? I just don't understand why a trivial name change can't be done to allow an emigration. I understand not wanting name changes randomly or for a better name/flavor, but it doesn't make sense to not allow it for things like emigration, IMO.
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Re: Changing character name - allowed?
« Reply #6: December 16, 2012, 12:18:44 AM »
Is it really that big of a deal that he can't add something trivial to his name to allow the emigration? I just don't understand why a trivial name change can't be done to allow an emigration. I understand not wanting name changes randomly or for a better name/flavor, but it doesn't make sense to not allow it for things like emigration, IMO.

Your name is your name. It's not something you just change, however trivially.

Changes are permitted for the preservation of game atmosphere (a purely OOC consideration).

There has also, once, been an exception made for a character who could not emigrate to any other continent, because they all had characters with his name.

However, there is absolutely no guarantee in the BattleMaster rules that you can play on a specific continent, let alone play there with the character of your choice.
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Re: Changing character name - allowed?
« Reply #7: December 16, 2012, 02:58:27 AM »
Your name is your name. It's not something you just change, however trivially.

Changes are permitted for the preservation of game atmosphere (a purely OOC consideration).

There has also, once, been an exception made for a character who could not emigrate to any other continent, because they all had characters with his name.

However, there is absolutely no guarantee in the BattleMaster rules that you can play on a specific continent, let alone play there with the character of your choice.
An obvious thing would be to add a second name with it that is more of a middle name, ex. Francis Adams Kinsey, interestingly despite your incessant saying that name changing is only for inappropriate naming , his name had the middle name added for no obvious OOC need and long after the character was made, when I looked at his family history. Going to a different continent has many valid reasons for name changes. I need to go so I will edit in some reasons later.
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Re: Changing character name - allowed?
« Reply #8: December 17, 2012, 06:59:33 AM »
I can also see this ruining the fun for players. Someone creates a new character. He picks an awesome name that he loves. He really digs the idea of  Beluaterra but the game does not allow him  to start there. So he starts on the East Island with the intent of traveling to Beluaterra as soon as possible. Moment fianally comes for the trip but - no go. Someone there already has the name. That sucks. This could potentially remove access to a significant portion of the game. Heck, it can even be used to avoid deportation to certain continents. Even worse, though unlikely, I could see this as a way to attack a player by limiting their options and fun. All you need is a group of morally challenged players working together.

I would rather that the game enforce globally unique names. Or, inform the player of any continents that already have characters with their name, and are thus unplayable unless that other character goes away, during character creation. Or present the character with the option of making a name change or not traveling when attempting to go to a continent which already has a character with the dame name.

I do not much care if the game ever claimed to guarantee that I be able to play specific characters on specific continents. Most would never guess this. This has the potential to be such a huge let down that it really needs to be changed or explained up front. Even when looked at in character it is lame: "Sorry my lord. I will not sail you to Beluaterra as word has it there is already another noble there with the same given name as you. How does Dwilight sound to you? Never mind, your third cousin is a knight there. Far East is out too. That leaves Colonies or Atamara. Both are lovely and no nobles have the same given name as you. Of course the fact that your family name is different does not matter! Since when? It has always been this way. No one told you?"

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Re: Changing character name - allowed?
« Reply #9: December 17, 2012, 09:50:28 AM »
You can create a new character, or emigrate to a different continent.
Does this apply to deportation as well as emigration? Will the Judge get a "Same character already exist on this island, please choose other island for deport" message that this same evil character languishing inside Judge dungeon?

Just wondering will this limit the Judge options for deporting same name character to same island.
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Re: Changing character name - allowed?
« Reply #10: December 17, 2012, 01:36:28 PM »
I would rather that the game enforce globally unique names. Or, inform the player of any continents that already have characters with their name, and are thus unplayable unless that other character goes away, during character creation. Or present the character with the option of making a name change or not traveling when attempting to go to a continent which already has a character with the dame name.

The idea has come up before. A dev could comment in more details, but the gist of it is that everybody would like that, but it's more complicated than it sounds. The reason is that the game did not have family names at all at first, they were added later, so it really is the first name/continent combination that serves as a unique identifier.
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Re: Changing character name - allowed?
« Reply #11: December 17, 2012, 01:37:54 PM »
The idea has come up before. A dev could comment in more details, but the gist of it is that everybody would like that, but it's more complicated than it sounds. The reason is that the game did not have family names at all at first, they were added later, so it really is the first name/continent combination that serves as a unique identifier.

We have character IDs that can be used...
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Re: Changing character name - allowed?
« Reply #12: December 17, 2012, 02:28:50 PM »
The change from character first names to some other identifiers as a global unique ID is a major change. Not something likely to happen.

I suppose there are a lot of theoretical abuses, though they seem a bit absurd to me. I suppose that if anyone ever does manage to severely abuse one, it might push the issue a bit. (Although more likely would be some other punishment to stop the abusers.) Also, this does not stop a player from playing on an island, just a character.

The existing character ID numbers are not globally unique. Just island unique.
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Re: Changing character name - allowed?
« Reply #13: December 17, 2012, 07:01:22 PM »
The change from character first names to some other identifiers as a global unique ID is a major change. Not something likely to happen.

I suppose there are a lot of theoretical abuses, though they seem a bit absurd to me. I suppose that if anyone ever does manage to severely abuse one, it might push the issue a bit. (Although more likely would be some other punishment to stop the abusers.) Also, this does not stop a player from playing on an island, just a character.

The existing character ID numbers are not globally unique. Just island unique.

They could "simply" be made unique by merging their character ID# with the continent ID# they are currently on. No possibility for doubles this way. A new algorithm would need to be made to generate new characters' ID#, but I'm under the impression this would be trivial as well.

Granted though, changing all references to character name for character ID in the code probably isn't that trivial a task at all, however.
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Re: Changing character name - allowed?
« Reply #14: December 17, 2012, 07:22:59 PM »
They could "simply" be made unique by merging their character ID# with the continent ID# they are currently on. No possibility for doubles this way.

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