Caelum

[vonGenf]

Not to mention that if they did somehow try to strongarm or invade Caelum, it would unite the entire northern half of BT in a war against Riombara.

Some would call it a fair fight. They may be deluded, but hey, it's fairer than fighting Enweil!

[Indirik]

Knights Protesting   (3 hours, 40 minutes ago)
Protests against Edmundus Blackmane, Justicarius of Caelum, Knight of Watto are increasing, and result in a loss of a point of prestige for him.

And then there was another protest.

[Poliorketes]

Really, I don't know what to think... now, all is silence in Caelum...

My thinkings about this:

Onamont (now, hedgehog Onamont) never was even a little menace. Going against a Council member asking for a death duel was a very bad idea! He was amusing, but way too limited to be a treat. I can understand the 'personality' but obviously it had very few chances of winning. Onamont was a good character, but without a heavy support (something he didn't had), or some 'flexibility' of character, he was doomed.

The ones I don't understand are the rest! Sometimes I really thought they didn't read the messages. Onamont was a bull, always changing ahead, but he had his motivations, a clear target (Edmundus?) and he 'reacted' to Edmundus words (usually, with insults)! ;D

The impression about the rest is they only wanted to make noise, no matter the reasons... or the things Edmundus or Onamont said. A bit as a bunch of schoolboys!  :P And, honestly, the effect was total when the teacher (Victus) shouted and all the boys become mute!  :-X  Now, they don't care about duels, honour, etc... Suddenly, All are good boys!!!  ;D

Honestly, when I connected a few minutes ago, I was waiting to see messages of protest, uproar and indignation... maybe a rebellion? something coherent with the days before, but I find nothing!  :o The rebellious noblemen had become tamed kitties?  ;D

OOC, I'm sorry for the loss of Onamont, and because we had lost the 'duels', a very valuable RP recourse... but usually abused and eliminated, as now has happened.

[Geronus]

I had a protest against Victus' decree mostly written but ran out of time before work caught up with me. It will happen tonight.

[Indirik]

Really, I don't know what to think... now, all is silence in Caelum...

That's what happens when the ruler flips his lid and yells at everyone to shut up.

Onamont (now, hedgehog Onamont) never was even a little menace. Going against a Council member asking for a death duel was a very bad idea! He was amusing, but way too limited to be a treat. I can understand the 'personality' but obviously it had very few chances of winning. Onamont was a good character, but without a heavy support (something he didn't had), or some 'flexibility' of character, he was doomed.

As far as I can tell, Onamont wasn't trying to be a threat/menace. He was reacting to the insults delivered by Edmundus. He wasn't trying to cause civil unrest, a rebellion, etc. All he wanted was an apology from Edmundus. That's all he ever asked for.

The ones I don't understand are the rest! Sometimes I really thought they didn't read the messages. Onamont was a bull, always changing ahead, but he had his motivations, a clear target (Edmundus?) and he 'reacted' to Edmundus words (usually, with insults)! ;D

Perhaps you should stop thinking that Onamont had any kind of agenda, or any kind of "target".

The impression about the rest is they only wanted to make noise, no matter the reasons... or the things Edmundus or Onamont said.

For my part, that is absolutely not true at all. Ralina is genuinely angered at Edmundus' attitude and actions.

Honestly, when I connected a few minutes ago, I was waiting to see messages of protest, uproar and indignation... maybe a rebellion? something coherent with the days before, but I find nothing!  :o The rebellious noblemen had become tamed kitties?  ;D

Again, there is no one "rebellious" here. There are quite a few people that are very angry with Edmundus' actions. And you will note that, so far, there is *no one* that is speaking up in support of Edmundus. Just the typical calls for people to concentrate on "stuff that matters".

OOC, I'm sorry for the loss of Onamont, and because we had lost the 'duels', a very valuable RP recourse... but usually abused and eliminated, as now has happened.

Are you saying that duels are usually abused? As in, you think that most duel challenges are done for abusive purposes? Despite the claims that some people make, I have to say that I have never seen anyone abuse the dueling system in this manner. Most of the time I see people refuse duels without a good reason. IMHO, the situation we just had resulted in a perfectly justified duel challenge from Onamont.

[Chenier]

I've been issued duels by random people I've never met before...

[Indirik]

It's your (in)famous family reputation. ;)

Come to think of it, I think I was once challenged like that before, too, quite a long time ago. What I have never seen is someone who attempts to abuse the system by inventing fake reasons to duel, and uses that to attempt to kill all council members in the realm, or some other such nonsense. In fact, I've seen very few duels at all lately, and almost no death duels.

[Chenier]

It's your (in)famous family reputation. ;)

Come to think of it, I think I was once challenged like that before, too, quite a long time ago. What I have never seen is someone who attempts to abuse the system by inventing fake reasons to duel, and uses that to attempt to kill all council members in the realm, or some other such nonsense. In fact, I've seen very few duels at all lately, and almost no death duels.

I've seen people issue duels over pretty much nothing, to pretty much a bunch of people. Not recently, though, and not more than than three I'd say, maybe just two. Years ago.

[Eirikr]

Isn't dueling for dueling's sake against one of the major rules of the game? Or was that just duel rings?

[Naidraug]

I think it was duel rings.

And now things get a little more interesting as some nobles are protesting against Victus, including one of the dukes.

[Indirik]

Wait, I thought it was only a few isolated rabbleroublerousers and career troublemakers who were comaplining about everything, just for the sake of complaining... ::)

[Chenier]

Isn't dueling for dueling's sake against one of the major rules of the game? Or was that just duel rings?

Neither, but Tom has a strong dislike about duels being issued for anything other than a... duel. A really strong dislike. Using it for gladiator arena-style guilds is not recommended, especially for Dwilight, where it might be against SMA. As far as I can recall, there's no official rule the magistrates could use to punish someone who misuses duels, but I'm pretty darn sure that if ever a duel ring gets successful, Tom will do something about it.

[Indirik]

Duels are for duels of honor. If you want to do your gladiator battles, swordfighting guilds, or private tournamements, then use the Training Match option. That's why it was added.

[Penchant]

Duels are for duels of honor. If you want to do your gladiator battles, swordfighting guilds, or private tournamements, then use the Training Match option. That's why it was added.

I could see people using training matches instead of duels if some minor changes were made.

[Eirikr]

Neither, but Tom has a strong dislike about duels being issued for anything other than a... duel. A really strong dislike. Using it for gladiator arena-style guilds is not recommended, especially for Dwilight, where it might be against SMA. As far as I can recall, there's no official rule the magistrates could use to punish someone who misuses duels, but I'm pretty darn sure that if ever a duel ring gets successful, Tom will do something about it.

Duels serious affairs meant to be used to defend one's honor, and may result in character death. They are not for sport or fun. As such, dueling guilds are prohibited if they use game-mechanic duels. Dueling guilds using roleplayed duels are acceptable.

Source: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Rules_and_Policies

The way it's written is kinda vague and it was likely written before Training Matches were introduced. (Sorry, I was too lazy to look it up before, but I knew I'd read it somewhere.) I mean, I guess a random duel is okay... if it's a reputation deal and it's stated.

Personally, I've never understood why dueling for sport isn't allowed, but I figured there was a reason.