Caelum

[Vellos]

Well, Edmundus says he'll duel Onamont.

I wager Edmundus will be able to kill Onamont, actually. His sword skill probably isn't that spectacular.

Blarg... still not enough. Third time for that, but Victus still holds the throne!

Isn't that the fourth time?

I've never even seen it get to three. Maybe it's a function of realm size, or time in office, or the H/P of the person holding the office?

[Indirik]

Third time for Victus.

[Poliorketes]

We have no way to know how a medieval noble would actually act, but if there was honor involved the king would most likely see that a duel for honor would happen. If Edmund was indeed so insulted, to ban the noble would be the coward way to do it. Council members do duel to the death and can do it if their honor has been insulted enough to deserve a death duel.

Now, we can all ignore the cries from Edmund, he has shown to be a madman, and there is no honor into dueling a madman for what ever nonsense he says.

;D ;D ;D  We have no way to know how a medieval noble would actually act???... to insults???  ::) You said it as if it never have happened!!! there is hundreds of tales and stories about this kind of things!!!

The ban wasn't to coward way, was the only way if you can't duel, and Edmundus as council member can't. Now he can, but Ralina and the rest had showed his real coward colours and refused with ridiculous excuses.  ::)

[Vellos]

;D ;D ;D  We have no way to know how a medieval noble would actually act???... to insults???  ::) You said it as if it never have happened!!! there is hundreds of tales and stories about this kind of things!!!

The ban wasn't to coward way, was the only way if you can't duel, and Edmundus as council member can't. Now he can, but Ralina and the rest had showed his real coward colours and refused with ridiculous excuses.  ::)

A council member can duel, AFAIK. And it would be widely accepted provided the duel was by a person of even remotely comparable stature; i.e. nearly any player character, as they are the elites of the elites.

But even then– Onamont said Edmundus could select a champion if he so chose. He didn't.

The ban was a coward's out.

[Poliorketes]

@poliorketes:
Three things: first, Edmundus offered insult to Onamont, then refused to duel, and banished him. Edmundus has shown that he has no honor. Therefore, he has no right to demand duels from others until he redeems his honor by dueling Onamont.

Second: Ralina laughed at Edmundus, and scorned his message, to mock him. She treated him exactly how Edmundus treated Onamont, by quoting the realm law, and suggesting he be banned, too.

Third, I *hate* it when people send messages and then tack on "HA HA! I insulted you, now you *have* to duel me!!!" I doubly hate it when they do that IC. It is a clear sign that they have no intention to use a duel to resolve a point of honor, and only wish to try to kill someone, or get their character killed.

First: Onamont insulted all Caelum first (and our Grand Prince!!!), so Edmundus only throw his own words to his face. And the first thing He made is to offer: forgot all, apologizes, or not-death duel (and He explained why). So he has all rights to demand duel... even against a honourless traitors!!! If Edmundus was a rogue or an adventurer, it could have logic, but to say he is mad, or have no honour, seems only as a easy excuse. Even more when coming from a duel defender as Ralina!

Second: Edmundus ALWAYS treated Onamont with respect. And take seriously his insults. The easy way would had been to ignore him, or mock him as Ralina do... But Edmundus is a medieval noble, as he couldn't duel him, He chose to ban him for insults against a Council member, (well, and lies, and menaces, etc... ) I simply find totally *HATEFUL* and unreal to make a medieval noble to 'swallow' insults as if nothing happened and even joke about it!

Third: Welcome to the club! This is why Edmundus never insult! But the message He used against Relina to show how hypocrite and honourless she was!... And it was a totally calculated movement... and with great success! If Relina had really thought all the things she said, She would have duel Edmundus... She only didn't refused, but She JOKED about it!!! Showing all Caelum she only used Onamont, but never really cared about insults or honour or duels!!!

And of course Edmundus want to duel all of them! He knows he had very little possibilities, but they had throw him out of his position, had insulted him, and are destroying Caelum (in Edmundus POV) ... You REALLY need more reasons for a duel???!!!  8)

[Poliorketes]

A council member can duel, AFAIK. And it would be widely accepted provided the duel was by a person of even remotely comparable stature; i.e. nearly any player character, as they are the elites of the elites.

But even then– Onamont said Edmundus could select a champion if he so chose. He didn't.

The ban was a coward's out.

In the 'Game' of course they can. But 'Edmundus laws' said NO COUNCIL MEMBER DEATH-DUEL. So He couldn't!!!  :P This has changed now thanks to Ralina and crew!

The think about the champion... Honestly, I don't really remember it!!! Maybe Edmundus scribe was drunk this day?  :P

The ban basically wasn't for the duel... was for the insults to Edmundus... As any good noble, He didn't stand insults!!! Of course He did said it was for lies, menaces and insults, etc... but the main reason were the insults!

[Naidraug]

;D ;D ;D  We have no way to know how a medieval noble would actually act???... to insults???  ::) You said it as if it never have happened!!! there is hundreds of tales and stories about this kind of things!!!

The ban wasn't to coward way, was the only way if you can't duel, and Edmundus as council member can't. Now he can, but Ralina and the rest had showed his real coward colours and refused with ridiculous excuses.  ::)

You can never know and be 100% sure, tales and stories changes as they are told. No historical evidence is 100% accurate. So, no, you can´t be 100% sure of it.

[Indirik]

I suspect that these items will be places where our characters disagree. Which is why they are on opposite sides of the conflict. :) I fully understand that your character sees things differently. I'm not saying you're wrong, just we have different viewpoints.

First: Onamont insulted all Caelum first (and our Grand Prince!!!), so Edmundus only throw his own words to his face. And the first thing He made is to offer: forgot all, apologizes, or not-death duel (and He explained why). So he has all rights to demand duel... even against a honourless traitors!!! If Edmundus was a rogue or an adventurer, it could have logic, but to say he is mad, or have no honour, seems only as a easy excuse. Even more when coming from a duel defender as Ralina!

Ralina doesn't feel insulted by Onamont's comments, mostly because she agrees with them. Why would you feel insulted when someone is saying something you agree with? That would be ridiculous. As such, she sees no reason for Onamont to apologize, because he didn't do anything wrong. Demanding he apologize is simply adding additional humiliation on top of everything. Therefore, Edmundus' behaviour following that was extremely dishonorable, as he used rules he created himself to add more insult and humiliation on top of everything else, in demanding that Onamont ask Edmundus permission to issue a duel challenge to Edmundus. "You have to beg for my permission to ask me to duel, or I will fine and banish you! HA HA A HA!" Edmundus' letter about it was taunting and mocking. I believe you even stated in an earlier post that you intended it to be that way.

Second: Edmundus ALWAYS treated Onamont with respect. And take seriously his insults. The easy way would had been to ignore him, or mock him as Ralina do... But Edmundus is a medieval noble, as he couldn't duel him, He chose to ban him for insults against a Council member, (well, and lies, and menaces, etc... ) I simply find totally *HATEFUL* and unreal to make a medieval noble to 'swallow' insults as if nothing happened and even joke about it!

I beg to disagree. Edmundus was mocking, taunting, and insulting toward Onamont. You called him an oathbreaker, then you called him a double oathbreaker, then you told him that he must meet himself with a sword in each hand and duel himself, then you quoted his letter removing part of it and literally replacing what he said with "blah,blah,blah...".

Third: Welcome to the club! This is why Edmundus never insult! But the message He used against Relina to show how hypocrite and honourless she was!... And it was a totally calculated movement... and with great success! If Relina had really thought all the things she said, She would have duel Edmundus... She only didn't refused, but She JOKED about it!!! Showing all Caelum she only used Onamont, but never really cared about insults or honour or duels!!!

It was no success at all. In fact, it was a failure, and made Edmundus look even worse. After Edmundus' stunt with the fine/banishment of Onamont, most of the realm considers Edmundus to be without honor. Therefore, refusing to duel Edmundus incurs no loss of honor. It's like refusing to duel a peasant. Ralina declined to duel Edmundus until *after* Edmundus redeemed his honor by accepting Onamont's challenge and dueling him. *Then* he can come back and issue a challenge to Ralina, at which point she would not refuse.

In addition, she refused Edmundus' challenge for the same reason that Edmundus refused to duel Onamont: That duels are, after all, illegal. This was a deliberate provocation and mockery of Edmundus. It is, in effect, the same thing that you are claiming Edmundus did: "...throw his own words to his face"

And of course Edmundus want to duel all of them! He knows he had very little possibilities, but they had throw him out of his position, had insulted him, and are destroying Caelum (in Edmundus POV) ... You REALLY need more reasons for a duel???!!!  8)

Yes. She needs an opponent who has honor. The nobility of Caelum already know that Edmundus has no honor. That's why no one reacted in the least when Ralina refused and mocked Edmundus. It's not because they are hypocrites, it's because they all consider Edmundus to have no honor, and therefore no right to demand a duel.

[Indirik]

Knights Protesting (6 hours, 38 minutes ago) Protests against Sir Victus Draco Tanos, Grand Prince of Caelum, Ambassador of Caelum, Duke of the Meshian Plains, Priest of Church of Humanity are increasing, and result in a loss of a point of prestige for him.

Is this some kind of record?

Victus has tucked in his head, and turtled in his palace. His player has stated he is very busy RL, which is unfortunate. So far we have no IC reason to stop, and protests are now shifting to "why are you ignoring us".

[Naidraug]

Is this some kind of record?

Victus has tucked in his head, and turtled in his palace. His player has stated he is very busy RL, which is unfortunate. So far we have no IC reason to stop, and protests are now shifting to "why are you ignoring us".

There is no IC reason to stop...it is bad that he is not well or busy RL, but we can´t just pause everything.

[Indirik]

If it weren't for the time-sensitive nature of protests, it would be possible to delay.

[Indirik]

Knights Protesting (19 minutes ago) After loud protest against his actions, Victus Draco has been forced to step down from his ruler position. He also loses a point of prestige and 4 points of honour.

[Penchant]

Who do you think will be elected the next ruler?

[T Strike]

Who do you think will be elected the next ruler?

Me.

[Indirik]

Who do you think will be elected the next ruler?

I have no idea. I don't even know who will want to run.