Post invasion politics

[Tandaros]

So limit your war aims? Just say you intend to reclaim... Whatever city it is up there you used to own. And play some clever diplomacy.

I think Qual was the site where Pierre Reynald found some ancient Bloodspeaker text. Could always go for a good ol' "holy land" cassus belli. That usually ends simply and without any long-lasting effect. :D

[Nosferatus]

I think Qual was the site where Pierre Reynald found some ancient Bloodspeaker text. Could always go for a good ol' "holy land" cassus belli. That usually ends simply and without any long-lasting effect. :D

I don't think anyone in Melhed thinks we rightfuly claim more then the lin helon duchy, Lastfell and qual.
But thalmarkin declared total destruction on Melhed.
If Melhed would take qual, lastfell and a few other rurals, Thalmarkin will most likley just keep fighting.
Besides, one of the reasons Shae jousted Yeux on that throne is because he is a direct man of harsh words without restrain, not very diplomatic. :)

[Noldorin]

I specifically said in the war intention that we do not wish the total destruction of Melhed.

No one want allies, we want war, pure and simple. A continent full of allies is a poor continent to play. But since I can put almost the same CS of militia in Agyr that Thalmarkin have, I doubt they can do something to take the city. I survived the demons, I cannot see why I cannot hold the city against Thalmarkin. Yeux is rich enough to do it again and again. With 99/100% of Oratory and almost the entire city (and the entire realm) covered by followers, you can even expect a bloodbath if you take the city. I just love "autos da fe"

So, then we will just starve the city and let your peasants kick you out instead :p We have no intentions of making this a short war, as been said.

Also, not sure if you remember it, but it was Thalmarkin that saved Agyr. The city was 1 turn away from being blighted when we moved in and rescued your precious city.

[Eduardo Almighty]

Also, not sure if you remember it, but it was Thalmarkin that saved Agyr. The city was 1 turn away from being blighted when we moved in and rescued your precious city.

My character is not known for his gratitude. Especially when the intentions are to take the city for yourself declaring war after poor and ridiculous excuses. Also, my precious city is Avamar. Now it's just a question of who have the best army.

[Lorgan]

My character is not known for his gratitude. Especially when the intentions are to take the city for yourself declaring war after poor and ridiculous excuses. Also, my precious city is Avamar. Now it's just a question of who have the best army.

That is always the question.

As for poor and ridiculous excuses, we have a royal heir from AA claiming their long lost capital and namesake city back. That alone is a worthy casus belli in every medieval textbook and there is no medieval noble worth the name who would say "no, you have absolutely no right to these lands".
So forget about the years of inconsequential "friendship", forget about the multiple successful votes for war against us, forget about the posturing right after the invasion and the bloodspeaker rebellion, this alone is a good enough reason for war. And if more people would see it that way in stead of dismissing more creative casus belli as "excuses" perhaps there wouldn't be dozens of realms in BM stuck in deadlocked peace.

[skiarxon@gmail.com]

My dagger is ready.

[Marlboro]

My dagger is ready.

I am excited for party times.

[Eduardo Almighty]

We have a lot of strange claims to start wars in this year. Why the people don't have enough courage to just say they want to fight and have more lands to extend their influence and power? BM is a game of colonization and everyone wants new colonies. The obvious tendency is those who already have the strongest allies to wish more power.

Unfortunately I have to agree that the past of Melhed as ally sucks. I arrived in a time when the people discussed too much just to take the most horrible decisions. Maybe I'd rather be alongside Thalmarkin, but fate put me in Melhed (after Avalon... a "strange" realm to play) and I can only try to do my best against the odds. And I'm also not naive enough to not think that Yeux was chosen to lead the rebellion to be someone with some willingness to be influenced, something far from truth. It's well known that Pierre have a lot of influence and his own policies.

I just doubt the people will realize how the north are strong and growing stronger. The usual answer: they have too much fear to fight, them they don't want to escalate things in this war.

Then, Melhed needs more Knights ;)

[Fleugs]

We have a lot of strange claims to start wars in this year. Why the people don't have enough courage to just say they want to fight and have more lands to extend their influence and power? BM is a game of colonization and everyone wants new colonies. The obvious tendency is those who already have the strongest allies to wish more power.

Strange claims? I'm sorry, I think you are rather confused. I think Thalmarkin's ex-AA claim, for example, is a brilliant one. Even if it is completely made up, it's still a claim they make. You know, that's how claims work. You claim stuff and then, when you think the time is right, you push for your claim to be recognized.

[Tandaros]

As for poor and ridiculous excuses, we have a royal heir from AA claiming their long lost capital and namesake city back. That alone is a worthy casus belli in every medieval textbook and there is no medieval noble worth the name who would say "no, you have absolutely no right to these lands".
So forget about the years of inconsequential "friendship", forget about the multiple successful votes for war against us, forget about the posturing right after the invasion and the bloodspeaker rebellion, this alone is a good enough reason for war. And if more people would see it that way in stead of dismissing more creative casus belli as "excuses" perhaps there wouldn't be dozens of realms in BM stuck in deadlocked peace.

I have to agree with you, it's valid. Not to the Melites though. They might be whining about a baseless war, but the truth is that Melhed would have done the same thing if it were in Thal's shoes.

[Noldorin]

Dont be too sure about that... the only war they started the last 5(?) years was against a realm who was already being smashed up in a 3 vs 1 war. To acctually start a 1 vs 1 war seems to be one of their least interests.

[Lorgan]

It's better this way anyway. Easier to keep it a one on one war if we're the aggressor. :)

[Tandaros]

Dont be too sure about that... the only war they started the last 5(?) years was against a realm who was already being smashed up in a 3 vs 1 war. To acctually start a 1 vs 1 war seems to be one of their least interests.

I can be pretty sure, since I play in Melhed, whereas you are making assumptions about our internal climate. I guess we'll never know what would have happened otherwise!   :P

So anyway, looking forward to some good battles!

[Nosferatus]

I have to agree with you, it's valid. Not to the Melites though. They might be whining about a baseless war, but the truth is that Melhed would have done the same thing if it were in Thal's shoes.

Thats is what Melhed WOULD have done, if thal didnt declare first.
With or without 'em fancy thalmarkian crocodile leather shoes.

[Lorgan]

With or without 'em fancy thalmarkian crocodile leather shoes.

Ripped from the cold feet of Melite peasants.

Thats is what Melhed WOULD have done, if thal didnt declare first.

Oh and we definitely went out of our way to give you reason to. :)
We just didn't feel like waiting any longer, sooner or later someone was going to drag us into some war we didn't want and leave us open for you. And of course there is the many many points you gain on the awesome meter for declaring the first war of the new age.  8)

And this one is going to be a long one.  :D