Long Distance Wars Impossible?

[Foundation]

Finally, some math! Thank you.

Just a side note, complaining is a lot more effective if you attach math and data to show your case.

[vonGenf]

No intention to seem like sour grapes here or anything. This is not a complaint simply because my character's side is having a hard time. I'm just honestly curious if, on an island the size of Dwilight, you are really only intended to be able to fight realms in your own relative proximity?

"Relative" is still quite large. Realms in the corners can probably effectively fight at least half the other realms. Realms in the middle can probably reach anywhere but the very extremities.

[Foundation]

These mechanics were introduced to make these long distance wars infeasible.

[Gustav Kuriga]

Wait a minute... something's not adding up here. How can the distance be equivalent to the distance from London to Jerusalem, if the continent is the size of Iran?

[Vellos]

I've gone through the database because I'm a fan of truth.

First: Yes, this drop really happened. At least once to one person. There was also one case of 67 points, one of 52 points, and one each of 48, 47 and 46 points.

Second: At least for the 60 points case posted here, the character affected is currently a distance of 2128 miles or 3425 km away from his capital. That is almost precisely the distance from London to Jerusalem (2245 miles). Or in other words: It's a distance that happened twice or so in the history of medieval Europe.

Third: To answer the initial question more specifically: Yes, war over that kind of distance should definitely be as close to impossible as we can make it without drawing a "you shall not pass" line on the map.

I do believe there were 14 crusades, good sir. And only a few ended in mass collapse and desertion before the first battle.

[^ban^]

Wait a minute... something's not adding up here. How can the distance be equivalent to the distance from London to Jerusalem, if the continent is the size of Iran?

It has the land area of Iran. Not the dimensions.

Also Iran is pretty large.

[Penchant]

Wait a minute... something's not adding up here. How can the distance be equivalent to the distance from London to Jerusalem, if the continent is the size of Iran?

A large chunk of the map is empty space, at least a third, resulting in long distances but smaller areas.

[Azerax]

Would the distance morale penalty be reduced if they took over a region?

[Penchant]

Would the distance morale penalty be reduced if they took over a region?

Nope.

[Foundation]

Eh... I seem to recall that it would lessen the effect.

[Tom]

Eh... I seem to recall that it would lessen the effect.

Only while they are in that region.

[Penchant]

Only while they are in that region.

Why is it based off of capital?

[Tom]

Why is it based off of capital?

Because otherwise large realms would have a distinct advantage over small realms. This is one of many parts of the game in which we make large realms suffer a little so the smaller realms have a fighting chance.

[Penchant]

Because otherwise large realms would have a distinct advantage over small realms. This is one of many parts of the game in which we make large realms suffer a little so the smaller realms have a fighting chance.

The advantage is that large realms can project their forces farther, but they should be able to. Other than the possibility of a larger realm attacking a smaller realm it doesn't really help a larger realm in anyway. Also, this helps larger realms as it makes it harder to attack a larger realm just because some of its regions are farther away, thus giving a morale penalty.

[Perth]

Second: At least for the 60 points case posted here, the character affected is currently a distance of 2128 miles or 3425 km away from his capital. That is almost precisely the distance from London to Jerusalem (2245 miles). Or in other words: It's a distance that happened twice or so in the history of medieval Europe.

Third: To answer the initial question more specifically: Yes, war over that kind of distance should definitely be as close to impossible as we can make it without drawing a "you shall not pass" line on the map.

It seems like then that it should be quite feasible to do. The Crusaders were successful enough to at least win on a number of occasions and even set up a Crusader Kingdom. However, of course, it should be QUITE expensive. I think that should be proper balance effect, cost--not morale.