The War of Ice and Sun

[Lorgan]

1. Starvation isn't at all the point. The point is the 10k gold or something necessary to rebuild the realm's infrastructure.

2. When Agyr joined us it had exactly 0 bushels. Doesn't sound accidental to me, though separately it could be forgiven as Melhed wished to retain it's food.

3. Starvation isn't at all the point.

[Fleugs]

I would really say starvation is the point.

[Lorgan]

No. Not at all.

[Fleugs]

What do you know? I'm the expert talking here. Starvation clearly is the point. You cannot deny it. It's so pointy it'll pierce right through you.

[jaune]

The point is that they harmed intentionally those regions. They didnt want to have good start with new realm and they wanted to pissoff Thalmarkin.

That is the actual point why i'm pissed and why Thalmarkin is pissed.

[Lorgan]

What do you know? I'm the expert talking here. Starvation clearly is the point. You cannot deny it. It's so pointy it'll pierce right through you.

*insert Ethiopian joke here*

[trying]

Did you guys destroy the Immortals ?

[JeVondair]

Did you guys destroy the Immortals ?

God no.

[JeVondair]

2. When Agyr joined us it had exactly 0 bushels. Doesn't sound accidental to me, though separately it could be forgiven as Melhed wished to retain it's food.

Of course, Kalixta DID buy a weeks worth of food once she got access to Thalmarkin markets. Ya'll are whining over the "damage" she caused to the duchy...what damage is that exactly? The regions are healthy, fully populated, and rich. Thalmarkin built and rebuilt something like 5 RC's in the 2 turns Kalixta was there. IG it makes a whole lot of sense to strip the RC's. I mean, no matter the rhetoric for peace, if Ar-Agyr ever declared war on Melhed, why oh why would we let them use our own RC's against us? Nopenopenope and nope. I heard a lot about the "spirit" of the treaty. Talk of future friendship was a bunch of crap, it was an ultimatum demanding utter submission now and forever and nothing less. I'm trying to figure out why there's so much surprise.

And that's to say nothing of the disgraceful manner in which many Thal players comported themselves. I'd never seen anything like that in BM. I was astounded, both OOC and IG.

[jaune]

heh, i got 4 etiquette issues :)

My chars overall are known to be not so noble on their talks... but gotta admit, OO went overboard on this one.

apologies OOCly, not IC :)

The surprice of this was, because atleast i was naive and really thought and hoped to have good start with Melhed.

-Jaune

[Miriam Ics]

The surprice of this was, because atleast i was naive and really thought and hoped to have good start with Melhed.

-Jaune

^This and that I expected something different as a change. To destroy everything is just what everybody does. Would be nice to have a different story to tell.

[Penchant]

Jaune's characters tend to be honorable to a fault. It's also always about the spirit of the treaty and not the wording with his characters.

[JeVondair]

apologies OOCly, not IC :)

The surprice of this was, because atleast i was naive and really thought and hoped to have good start with Melhed.

-Jaune

I'll take that, thanks! In addition,  Kalixta was contacted by several other Thal's stating that while what was going on was not normal, they do cultivate a more "gung-ho" culture.

In regards to starting good relations, come on, really? If all ya'll wanted were better relations, we could have had tea parties instead of wars. "Give us your richest duchy, nevermind that it's your capital, as payment for daring to resist our invasion launched because we wanted to do exactly that in the first place" is not the best way to start. In fact, it was probably the very worst way.

[jaune]

Do you have any clue about history between Thalmarkin and Melhed?

-Jaune

[Stabbity]

I'll take that, thanks! In addition,  Kalixta was contacted by several other Thal's stating that while what was going on was not normal, they do cultivate a more "gung-ho" culture.

In regards to starting good relations, come on, really? If all ya'll wanted were better relations, we could have had tea parties instead of wars. "Give us your richest duchy, nevermind that it's your capital, as payment for daring to resist our invasion launched because we wanted to do exactly that in the first place" is not the best way to start. In fact, it was probably the very worst way.

Rule 1 of BM diplomacy: Do not antagonize those who have defeated you in a war without breaking a sweat. Thal let Melhed off the hook easy in comparison to most wars that occur these days. If you wanted a hostile Northern neighbor who has already beaten you once, you got it. Its just dumb to antagonize someone like that, what do you get out of it? Thal spends a little gold, but at the expense of diplomatic relations. Do you think Thalmarkin will ever trust Melhed again? No, they would be stupid to do so. Does Thal now have a Casus Belli to resume the war and rescind the charity already given to Melhed? Yes.