Author Topic: Secession and pledging - Capitals / Last cities  (Read 11979 times)

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As for ridiculous: if you think it's more dishonorable to step down after a couple days of mopping up a dead realm than tor have two dozen nobles protest you out office after you went bananas on the neighboring Daemons, you might have had too much Easter punch.
I agree with you. Getting protested from office should have a much larger H/P hit than it does. If you think the saem, then why not submit a feature request about it?

However, I still maintain that if you didn't want to be ruler, then you shouldn't have run in the election. If the realm was as dead as you claim it is (and I admit that I know no details of your situation) then who cares who the ruler is? Just have your people bail to the new realm, and take over the dregs of what is left. With no one there tending the lands, they won't last too long, and there won't be anyone there to defend it anyway. Or, you could just wait a couple days for the penalty to go down. It goes down pretty fast.

It is unfortunate that these restrictions are in place. But in this case, it is not there because someone on the dev team sat down and said "Hey, stepping down from rulership should really !@#$ over your H/P. It should be at least 15 times worse than getting protested from office." These things were implemented because people were abusing the system. If people hadn't been abusing things, these restrictions  wouldn't be there, and we wouldn't be talking about this.
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For the record–

Hireshmont is totally going to try and restore Terran.
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For the record–

Hireshmont is totally going to try and restore Terran.
This is why one person can't destroy a realm, which applies even for you (Quintus) thinking its dead, because other people in the realm might not have gave up and they want to salvage the realm. I have been told both Arcaea and Tara have been reduced to just a few regions but they have still survived and now thrive each being one of the biggest realms on their continent.
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This is why one person can't destroy a realm, which applies even for you (Quintus) thinking its dead, because other people in the realm might not have gave up and they want to salvage the realm. I have been told both Arcaea and Tara have been reduced to just a few regions but they have still survived and now thrive each being one of the biggest realms on their continent.

True on both counts.
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Hireshmont is totally going to try and restore Terran.

Three words:


One. Man. Realm.

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This is why one person can't destroy a realm, which applies even for you (Quintus) thinking its dead

No, it isn't. Hireshmont has no power and publicly said the opposite as well as publicly resigning all authority. The only reason he got anything back was during the 3-man elections - he became Judge. If the game mechanic is that Hireshmont Vellos should be able to perpetuate a realm even though he has no land and no soldiers and no vassals, that's a stupid game mechanic.

Same thing with Arcaea and Tara. Being reduced to one or two regions does not mean that the realm is dead. Being reduced to one or two regions when the lords of both regions and the Duke all want to surrender does, and that was never true of Arcaea (which had powerful diplomatic allies as well).

So let's look at what we are trying to prevent, because obviously that's got to be important. Look at Ohnar West in FEI. One duchy realm with a small but dedicated group of active players. If the Duke of Sasrhas could push a button and join Arcaea or Coralynth, that would register on my scale as gamey because even though the Duke of a one-duchy realm is going to be a powerful person and even though there may not be one other single person with that level of power, there exists a larger number of quasi-influential people - namely the region lords, and of course the ruler. Collectively they could just switch their banners right back, or refuse the directive from the Duke to change in the first place.

Versus Terran, where you had every last region lord on board and where the now sole opposing noble repudiated his authority up until there was not anyone around left to challenge it. No offense to Vellos, here, if he'd been a Duke or even a Lord I'd say there's at least a case that Quintus could've been delayed.

So how do you prevent one and not the other? Seems pretty straightforward to me: either require the ruler and the capital Duke to sign off on it, or if you want to be super careful, require a majority of region lords and then enable a region lord to pledge to a realm that used to neighbor his region, say, within the last few weeks. If the Chateau went rogue tomorrow and Vellos was able to get a half-dozen nobles to come back to him, for instance, there's no reason why he shouldn't be able to raise Terran's flag again.

The argument that 'one person can't destroy a realm' is facetious in the event that the realm has already been destroyed according to everybody except the server, and Vellos admitted as much himself - plus even without Quintus, let's be honest, unless he's got a hidden stash of nobles somewhere there's no way he can make it happen. Arcaea and Tara still had fighting nobles who were not going to desert it.

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One. Man. Realm.

Minas Ithil is still totally alive.
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Minas Ithil is still totally alive.
Terran has regions, Minas Ithil doesn't so that comparison does not fit. Minas Ithil is dead and can not get any regions or anything like that, there is 0 chance of success for the realm because it is no longer exists. Terran has regions, and while unlikely can still survive and can become successful still.
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Terran has regions, and while unlikely can still survive and can become successful still.

Anyone in Terran, Vellos included, could tell you how absurd this is. The only reason Terran has a region (one) is because game mechanics forced it to. This is a circular argument: you can't kill it because it's not dead yet.

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Terran has regions, Minas Ithil doesn't so that comparison does not fit. Minas Ithil is dead and can not get any regions or anything like that, there is 0 chance of success for the realm because it is no longer exists. Terran has regions, and while unlikely can still survive and can become successful still.

If Stanislav was a priest and religion elder... He could have recreated the realm somewhere. Unfortunately, he is not. :P
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