High Toprak

[Ironsides]

Yes, it would be too dangerous to meddle in creating or modifying the religion.

No, no, I mean the rejuvenation of High Toprak has nothing to do with religion. Imagine Dwilight like plant growth. The only parts alive are the fringes and the parts nearest the tip, everything behind, since grown, is "dead". That's what's happened to High Toprak and that is what will happen ultimately to Dwilight.

So I am dreaming up/thinking of a way to introduce a new arena or way for everyone to get active and compete again. A new way that does not challenge the established foundation (Astromancy) but creates something new along with it. More specifically, a new way strictly belonging to High Toprak. Dwilight has four spheres, High Toprak is among the oldest. I believe it should return to the centre light it once had. (Those who've played with Bowie and may have heard or seen some of his speeches surely saw my mode of thinking filtering into him - I've been saying this kind of stuff for years!)

It would not be fair to High Toprak or to Dwilight or to the players trapped in that suffocating place not to try to think up new ways for them to engage the game. That would just be rude.

[Vellos]

Really?  Did you read the sermon by Mathurin for Khari and Rynn's wedding?  Where he stood shoulder to shoulder with Baal the Betrayer and complimented his religion saying it was no different or better than SA?

That's a very creative interpretation.

The Sermon on the Mount never stopped medieval Christianity: why should a feel-good wedding sermon?

[Indirik]

Yeah, thats just one guys opinion.

[Penchant]

Really?  Did you read the sermon by Mathurin for Khari and Rynn's wedding?  Where he stood shoulder to shoulder with Baal the Betrayer and complimented his religion saying it was no different or better than SA?

Doesn't mean that's how the religion is ran. He can sway the opinion of most on any short term issue, but he hasn't really got anyone actually acting like religious tolerance is ok.

[Geronus]

There's always been an amusing tension between the moderates and the hardliners in the Church. Makes for great politics.

[Glaumring the Fox]

Its about exciting as butter melt on a wintry day...

[Geronus]

I always enjoyed it, as do others. Dwilight doesn't interest me much right now though.

[Arrakis]

I always enjoyed it, as do others. Dwilight doesn't interest me much right now though.

May I ask why?

[Perth]

Break up Morek. Things will get exciting.

[Dishman]

I'm sure it does get boring hunting monsters. Maybe the idle Astromancers should try to conduct some war games or something? A light hearted brawl, moderated by the church, for kicks and giggles. All the peasants need is any old excuse, a little diplomat love, and they will be gung-ho to die for no reason.

Might kick off something more interesting, too.

[Tandaros]

Break up Morek. Things will get exciting.

dooo iiiit

[Woelfy]

I'm sure it does get boring hunting monsters. Maybe the idle Astromancers should try to conduct some war games or something? A light hearted brawl, moderated by the church, for kicks and giggles. All the peasants need is any old excuse, a little diplomat love, and they will be gung-ho to die for no reason.

Might kick off something more interesting, too.

I know a great kingdom that those war games could take place in...Just saying...No walls on the city, and no militia to speak of. *insert innocent whistle here*

[Geronus]

May I ask why?

Things have become too... Civilized. That frontier feeling is almost entirely gone since the vast majority of the island is now settled. That feeling was one of the things I enjoyed most about Dwilight. Beyond that, none of the current conflicts interest me. You couldn't pay me to play on either side of a war in which Aurvandil is involved, so yeah...

[Anaris]

Things have become too... Civilized. That frontier feeling is almost entirely gone since the vast majority of the island is now settled.

This is a sentiment I've seen from a number of people.

Unfortunately, there are only two ways to achieve such a feel on an ongoing basis: continually opening new continents, and performing periodic resets (in whatever form) of one or more continents.

The former is obviously untenable without a continual growth in the playerbase. The latter used to be done on BT, and to a lesser extent on the South Islands before they were sunk, but as you know, Tom has decreed that there will be no more invasions on BT (besides the use of the summon scrolls, which really isn't the same thing).

So sadly, there is currently nowhere for players to go who like that frontier feeling.

[Glaumring the Fox]

Thats why I keep saying that we should be breaking things up more and fighting more. The only frontier left is war. The power blocs that exist right now are about maintaining control, the frontier is about gaining control. Thats why I am pushing for more opportunities to fight, smaller alliances, stronger nationalism for realms and more religions to foster conflict. SA has already won the map, you dont need to attain 100% victory to see that. Aurvandiil is barely the last opposing force, Asylon will always be fighting over the 2 or 3 contested lands around its kingdom. There is no way for one force to completely rule the map and who wants to wait for that?Dwilight is already a few years old and the first years were just about gaining control, we've only just now started to fight over lands and its turned into a fight between old and new, established and upstarts. The established old realms have old ancient alliances, ancient federations, ancient economies and hold the majority of the power. The upstarts are FR, Asylon,Swordfell , Falkirk , and Aurvandiil. With the new moot kingdoms perhaps thrown in. They will never combine and equal the established might of SA, there will never be long standing alliances between these kingdoms.