To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?

[Solari]

Luria will split up when it can be determined with 95% certainty that it won't start eating itself again. So, maybe never. But it is an option, yes. ;)

Frankly, I think the major reason the infighting has almost entirely stopped is because it IS all one realm.

[Anaris]

This theory might make sense if 80% of the infighting that has historically occurred in Luria did, in fact, occur during the period in which "Luria" almost exclusively meant "Pian en Luries"...

[Solari]

This theory might make sense if 80% of the infighting that has historically occurred in Luria did, in fact, occur during the period in which "Luria" almost exclusively meant "Pian en Luries"...

That's what I'm saying. It's largely occurred during the time of separate entities (ignoring the reason that PeL split up in the first place).

[Anaris]

That's what I'm saying. It's largely occurred during the time of separate entities (ignoring the reason that PeL split up in the first place).

Er...I tied myself up in my own sentence.

I was saying that 80% of the infighting did occur within Pian en Luries. There were at least a half-dozen rebellions, secessions, and attempted regicides, as well as years of intra-realm cold war while Alanna was Queen.

Being all one realm is not the primary reason Luria's infighting has calmed down recently.

[Miriam Ics]

Being all one realm is not the primary reason Luria's infighting has calmed down recently.

No, is that a few players moved on. It's because everyone accept Arundel as Queen. We might see some change (or not) after Alice die...

[Chenier]

The problem with splitting in more realms is that at some point one or more Kings will rebel as we saw happening.

It would be nice to have more tools to actually make this work better. Maybe go back to that discussion of Oaths and a few more good ideas I don't even remember where we had or where it is.

And I agree, PeL was the Golden Age of Luria.

While I like multi-realm empires, I wouldn't want to see it made any easier, because then it'd simply become the equivalent of a huge realm with multiple places to recruit from, higher tax tolerance, and overall less large realm penalties.

[Indirik]

I'm not a fan of multi-realm empires. They tend to lock up diplomacy pretty hard. You have only to look at AT to see the end result of this.

[Arundel]

a.) A Lurian multi-realm empire is nothing to worry about.
b.) A multi-realm empire also erects communication barriers, smaller, less organized armies, and again the potential to war itself to death.

c.) It's not going to happen any time soon, unless Alice dies I suppose.

[Chenier]

I'm not a fan of multi-realm empires. They tend to lock up diplomacy pretty hard. You have only to look at AT to see the end result of this.

AT has, AFAIK, a federation of many member realms of equal rank. There is no supra-national government or institution. Thus, it does not compare. It's just a big alliance, not a multi-realm empire.

a.) A Lurian multi-realm empire is nothing to worry about.
b.) A multi-realm empire also erects communication barriers, smaller, less organized armies, and again the potential to war itself to death.

c.) It's not going to happen any time soon, unless Alice dies I suppose.

a) To be determined.
b) Indeed, as it is. But should these restrictions be even partially lifted, then issues would arise.
c) As with all things, you can intentionally break it, but it's harder to keep it together.

[Penchant]

AT has, AFAIK, a federation of many member realms of equal rank. There is no supra-national government or institution. Thus, it does not compare. It's just a big alliance, not a multi-realm empire.

CE & Tara are the leaders.

[Chenier]

CE & Tara are the leaders.

De facto, or de jure?

There's a huge difference between "we are a large alliance where the big players tend to monopolize decision-making" and "we are a multi-realm empire and aknlowedge a supra-national authority", imo. From what I heard, CE's bloc seems like what Enweil's huge "empire" used to be: a coalition of like-minded states, mostly set up by Enweil, but not owing direct fealty to it, but rather cooperation due to friendship and common interests.

[Anaris]

From what I heard, CE's bloc seems like what Enweil's huge "empire" used to be: a coalition of like-minded states, mostly set up by Enweil, but not owing direct fealty to it, but rather cooperation due to friendship and common interests fear of the 800lb gorilla.

T, FTFY

[Tandaros]

I thought the fear was of da Great Goat, not a 800lb gorilla. idk, I don't play AT currently, maybe it's a new beast menacing the clusterfrack.  :o

[Perth]

I like how hard the multi-realm empires are to 1) create and 2) maintain. It makes them notable and really cool when they happen.

[Vellos]

I like how hard the multi-realm empires are to 1) create and 2) maintain. It makes them notable and really cool when they happen.

Bets on a Greater Terran of some kind being formed?