KRB What do you think about this?

[Shizzle]

I'm guessing in Thalmarkin, but I'll leave it up to Miriam to find and point out what offends her?

[Lavigna]

I haven't seen any recently but I have seen maybe 2-3 over the years.

same

[Tandaros]

Alitoth Himoura's vow to forcibly impregnate Maya might be part of this picture. That shocked even her.

I don't think a character's unique moral sense is disallowed by SMA. It's part of human nature to have different opinions and different levels of chivalry/barbarism. It's part of what makes this game so dynamic and interesting, imo. You have some bloodthirsty heroes butchering peasants and some high-moral cavaliers who will fight an enemy army but not touch a woman. It's not black and white, it's complex and there are a lot of shades of gray... maybe like 50.

[Anaris]

I don't think a character's unique moral sense is disallowed by SMA.

And SMA is only directly relevant on Dwilight.

It's part of human nature to have different opinions and different levels of chivalry/barbarism. It's part of what makes this game so dynamic and interesting, imo. You have some bloodthirsty heroes butchering peasants and some high-moral cavaliers who will fight an enemy army but not touch a woman. It's not black and white, it's complex and there are a lot of shades of gray... maybe like 50.

Well, that's as may be, but from what I've heard of the book, I would very strongly discourage any attempts to pay tribute to it in RP within BattleMaster.

[Penchant]

Well, that's as may be, but from what I've heard of the book, I would very strongly discourage any attempts to pay tribute to it in RP within BattleMaster.

That was a joke, not him saying he wants to pay to it.

[Anaris]

That was a joke, not him saying he wants to pay to it.

Maybe he wouldn't, but knowing the crowd we get around here, I wouldn't be surprised if someone saw that and thought it would be a great idea...whether sincerely or as a troll.

[Norrel]

I think Alice Arundel and Hendrick Madigan already did that reenactment.

[Solari]

Has it already been mentioned yet that Rynn explicitly stated that Alice could secure peace by spreading her legs? I'm not trying to derail things, but I've seen mentions of SMA, etc, and I think this is a relevant touchstone since both players also have characters in Melhed and Thalmarkin, which are also engaged in a war.

[Miriam Ics]

Himoura's RP was what started my rebellion IC, and I personally disliked it, thats why I had opened this thread.
As I said, at Thalmarkin it was not that bad, but made me think about this matter. I saw worst RP's at Asena, probably because of the harem allusions. I think some people go a bit too far in what they think is a joke. Some jokes simple doesn't make anyone laugh.
Also, I don't think in medieval times any Lord would tell the Queen to open her legs or to bare his children without having his head off his neck.

But, I probably was only too protective and, even if I can understand this, doesn't mean I really agree to it. Personally, I would not like if one of my kids were exposed to something like this in a age they were building their character but this is me and I really don't think that there is any point in a discussion about education.

To tie all this back into BM, one of the really neat things about BM is that you can see how similar we really are, even with our 21st century attitudes toward a lot of medieval notions. And that's with the added restriction of having to write and read complete letters: there is no analog for the heated argument in a room full of your peers where you have to save face. We may not have tribes anymore, but we have the same tools nature gave us to identify people as 'same = trustworthy' or 'different = suspicion.' And even as we point out some awful consequences of this kind of discrimination in the past, we'd be naive to shut down our mechanism for discrimination entirely.

Scarlett I like what you have been posting here and I believe you have a peculiar and unusual point of view so as some others here.
I also believe this kind of discussion is good and can only enrich us.

[Scarlett]

My mother would agree with you about 'peculiar.'

Also, I don't think in medieval times any Lord would tell the Queen to open her legs or to bare his children without having his head off his neck.

The thing about Medieval Queens is that there were very few independent, i.e. sovereign female rulers. Medieval lords could be very mercenary and vulgar toward actual wives or prospective wives. Their job was to produce heirs and pass along claims or titles - that's it, with a handful of really awesome exceptions like Eleanor of Aquitaine. Think of how hard a time even later rulers like Elizabeth and Victoria had keeping power for themselves. Shoot, even Maggie Thatcher had to put up with a lot.

BM has to have a nod to modern sensibilities here by making the genders more equal. If I were to make a BM-esque game tomorrow, I would do the same thing. In light of that, the extent that treating women like crap ICly is appropriate doesn't really have a proper basis for conclusions: it's pretty much the same thing as treating a male character like crap, except probably worse since you might have some chivalrous types in your realm who will get really upset by it. I'd much rather be a BM princess than a medieval princess!

[Penchant]

Has it already been mentioned yet that Rynn explicitly stated that Alice could secure peace by spreading her legs? I'm not trying to derail things, but I've seen mentions of SMA, etc, and I think this is a relevant touchstone since both players also have characters in Melhed and Thalmarkin, which are also engaged in a war.

IIRC, that's rather false as it wasn't explicitly stated like that and that was supposed to be offensive, that was the point. I know he never sent peace conditions that stated that, I only recall one letter that you would be getting it from, which was, as I said, meant to be offensive to Alice. Rynn is very insulting/rude to those he doesn't like (except for those inside the realm).

[egamma]

IIRC, that's rather false as it wasn't explicitly stated like that and that was supposed to be offensive, that was the point. I know he never sent peace conditions that stated that, I only recall one letter that you would be getting it from, which was, as I said, meant to be offensive to Alice. Rynn is very insulting/rude to those he doesn't like (except for those inside the realm).

Rape and prostitution (trading sex for a peace) are not the same thing.