BattleMaster > Magistrates Case Archive

OOC Harrassment after comments on poor RP

<< < (2/12) > >>

Woelfy:
Shizzle had a problem with one of my rp's on BT. It was brought up and then the matter dropped for several weeks.

I posted my opinion on the facebook BM community group, regarding the stagnation and boredom there, and Shizzle decided to attack my opinion. I retaliated, harshly, as I am sick of having anonymous emails and messages come to me in out-of-game venues. It is one reason I hardly even check here anymore.

Geronus:
From Facebook:


--- Quote ---Kyle Douglass
As a player on Dwilight, I am simultaneously bored, disgusted, and beyond tired of dealing with childish and pathetic antics based solely on OOC drama. As such, !@#$ wasting time on a server that punishes proper SMA and encourages breaches of it's own rules. Beluaterra is the single greatest thing the game offers, and it is all due to it's lack of stagnation and OOC-IG blending. We need a full scale destructive invasion on DWI, at the very least.

Karel Scherpereel
Woah, QQ? Any concrete examples you want to see discussed?

Valentin Preceptor Hedman
Heh, dat's Dwilight for ya : D

Jim Gerdes
BELGIAN RAGE!!! I agree with you though, Beluaterra is pretty awesome (AT is starting to get interesting again too, as well as the big war on EC), and Dwilight is pretty terrible.

Dimitris Skiarxon
JAEGER SUCKS!

Dustin Olson
I like Dwilight. I am curious what this is about.

Dean Zammit
I have to completely Agree with Kyle here. Pretty much the reason I quit playing after all those years

Dean Zammit
Karel, If you lived in PeL since it was pretty much formed you'd know.

Karel Scherpereel
I've never been in PeL, but I've been around in Fissoa since before the foundation of Giask. Never heard much about OOC feuds, and always a lot of good things. In fact, should Skyn be killed against Alice I might get a new character there

Kyle Douglass
Karel Scherpereel: QQ? Ffs man, act like an adult not a whiny child. I've repeatedly tried to address the issue in game, and in the proper ooc channels. Nothing has been done, except by the rare few, to remedy the pestilence that has covered what was once the most promising island. Jim Gerdes I'm still in love with BT, and after having rejoined EC, I find it better than last time, but still a bit of a drone continent. Dimitris Skiarxon: you are just jealous ;) Dean Zammit: there is always Thal!

Dean Zammit
Can't deal with BM anymore, don't have the time  :(

Karel Scherpereel
Holy !@#$, what's with the defensive attitude all the time. Give it a rest. Or QQ

Dean Zammit
Yes, because flaming with "QQ" didn't deserve that response.
--- End quote ---

That's pretty much where the flaming stops, though Kyle does make one more offhand reference further down the thread to "OOC bull!@#$" on Dwilight.

We'll have to discuss whether this is something we'll rule on as not all the Magistrates agree that we should, but honestly I will say this: The number of OOC feuds that Kyle Douglass seems to get himself into along with their general level of venom does raise questions in my mind about whether or not we have a deeper problem here. For reference, here are some of the earlier episodes:

Previous case:
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,3863.0.html

And related:
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,3693.0.html

Lavigna:
I do agree that more than one complains have been brought here for Kyle but i will not bring a verdict over them using a complain that is and must be placed out of our hands.

This is not something a Magistrate should deal with , in fact i doubt this is something anyone in the game should bother with. Facebook is something adult people use, each of them for his personal reasons. We cannot judge people's behaviour or choice of words in there. We are not World Judges and Punishers here.

He brought his concerns over something that bothers him in the Bm group, he has every right to do so and he can choose any kind of words he wishes in there as well because there are no rules in that group that prevent him from doing it. The other part was rather provoking as well with the QQ thing. The whole post of Kyle was not directed to the person who filled the complain it got personal after he involved himself to it and this is something that must be dealt between adults.

I do however believe that Kyle should calm himself a bit concerning the game and check his game play as it seems it does raise concerns repeatedly but previous cases were solved already and should not re open based on this laughable (according to my opinion of course ) complain.

It would be wrong.

Geronus:

--- Quote from: Lavigna on April 29, 2013, 04:52:13 PM ---This is not something a Magistrate should deal with , in fact i doubt this is something anyone in the game should bother with. Facebook is something adult people use, each of them for his personal reasons. We cannot judge people's behaviour or choice of words in there. We are not World Judges and Punishers here.

--- End quote ---

I'm not sure if I completely agree with you. What you're saying has merit, but I do have concerns about the prospect of one player harassing another one over Battlemaster-related things using mediums outside the game itself. Such behavior is clearly against the spirit of the Social Contract; should we recuse ourselves from any responsibility to try to stop such behavior simply because the harassment didn't happen within Battlemaster itself? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure I've decided yet. There are pros and cons either way. I certainly don't like the idea of knowing something bad is going on and sitting on my hands while it happens. On the other hand, this particular example seems like more of a one-off bit of petty spitefulness than a pattern of harassment, and its direct relevance to Battlemaster is limited at best.

Another question to consider in a case like this is, would these two people be connected at all without Battlemaster in the middle? Probably not. No Battlemaster, no conflict. Could that fact imply that we have some responsibility here?

Lavigna:

--- Quote from: Geronus on April 29, 2013, 05:23:43 PM ---Another question to consider in a case like this is, would these two people be connected at all without Battlemaster in the middle? Probably not. No Battlemaster, no conflict. Could that fact imply that we have some responsibility here?

--- End quote ---

This is pretty correct.

However, if those people didn't use Facebook, or one of them didn't ..would we have a conflict?

What i mean by that is that Kyle started a completely ooc discussion about a generic thing concerning dwilight which is pretty much the main reason he ends up here continuously. He feels frustrated about it and went on to share it on facebook. He didn't make a personal attack to anyone, he stated in a pretty whiny way,yes ,his frustration about it and the reaction of another facebook user brought up this turn of events.

If it was a topic harassing the player i would totally judge it differently. It would seem like he was trying to use every BM related instrument in order to harass the player but this is not the case.

Navigation

[0] Message Index

[#] Next page

[*] Previous page