OOC cliques

[Chaotrance13]

And he is still in your realm? I am surprised by Kindaran generosity.

So am I, strangely enough. Though after this I suspect he'll be gone on some spurious charge.

[Ender]

And he is still in your realm? I am surprised by Kindaran generosity.

That's because insulting a bunch of people and just being a jerk isnt actually a crime and no OOC clan exists to persecute Malos like he claims. So, he's been excluded from the Great Debate Hall and generally shunned IC, because contrary to Ravier's belief, everyone doesn't love an antagonistic noble who clearly has no intentions of getting along with anyone, period. If anything, Ravier is punishing himself by staying if he hates Kindara so much, or just enjoys being a troll, which seems pretty clear by this point.

I should have known better than to feed him in the first place, though, so back I'll leave it be like Arrakis requested.

Edit: Fixed, Ravier's name.

[Anaris]

...because contrary to Raziel's belief...
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If anything, Raziel is...

Ravier, not Raziel. Raziel was the name of a few of Stabbity's characters.

[Scarlett]

If you asked Henry II what priests were good for, 'useless class' would probably be one of the kinder things he could say. BM has it even worse because unlike medieval priests, BM priests are probably chewing up an estate with income that is going to the priesthood rather than military service to the crown.

Obviously priests aren't useless in the game, but to a wartime King ... at least you can throw a fish with an umbrella at Velax on the battlefield. You can't throw a priest.

[Vellos]

Out of curiosity, what gave you this impression? As I recall, Onamont got the first Lordship that came available despite being fairly new to the realm because of the services he rendered as an adventurer.

There isn't and hasn't been an OOC group in Kindara. I was there from day one. Alpha had a part in probably every decision that was made in the almost 3 years of Kindara's existence, so if such a group was present I would know. The ruling council has typically been closely knit, but changes when council members are replaced.

You were the only player who showed any interest in reaching out to me; and I enjoyed Onamont's interactions with your character.

Mostly it was the extraordinarily aura of bitterness that surrounds Velax everywhere he goes: and the whole thing where he told me he would OOC exclude me from any realm he was in; he actually did that on this forum, as it were.

Incidentally, Quintus was 'excluded' from pretty much every council Vellos had anything to do with in Terran, and you don't hear me bitching about it. Quintus was who he was and people responded accordingly. Sometimes it served him and sometimes it hindered him. If I'd wanted more involvement in the realm strategy I could have easily made him more conciliatory. You gotta earn political capital before you can expect to have any to spend.

lol, I think you overestimate how much council Hireshmont took with other people. By the latter days there he was pretty much acting alone and just trusting peoples' paranoia of each other to get him what he wanted. I can really only think of one pre-occupation of Chateau Saffalore incident where Hireshmont excluded Quintus.

[Chaotrance13]

That's because insulting a bunch of people and just being a jerk isnt actually a crime and no OOC clan exists to persecute Malos like he claims. So, he's been excluded from the Great Debate Hall and generally shunned IC, because contrary to Ravier's belief, everyone doesn't love an antagonistic noble who clearly has no intentions of getting along with anyone, period. If anything, Ravier is punishing himself by staying if he hates Kindara so much, or just enjoys being a troll, which seems pretty clear by this point.

I should have known better than to feed him in the first place, though, so back I'll leave it be like Arrakis requested.

Edit: Fixed, Ravier's name.

Maybe if you actually bothered to extend a hand, hell even a finger, to him, he'd co-operate. And on the charge of being antagonistic, since when in the past two-three months has he done that? Not one instance. He has been doing exactly what I said - going around, preaching and doing maintenance on temples because that's all he can do right now. I'd gladly go to war if it wouldn't plunge the religion into chaos (as in the elder/priest threshold dropping below 66%). When we had the issue regarding the Margrave of Azros attempting to close down the temple there, did he go berzerk and start preaching hellfire and brimstone? No. He went to Azros to discuss the issue and let it lie in the end, in fact the faith was commended for that fact by Galiard if I do recall.

The character, nor myself for that matter, are not completely unreasonable. Malos, like Ravier and Ventus, is a zealot and will chase something down if he believes in it.

If you think I am a troll, then instead of pointing the finger, take it to the Magistrates or Titans. Because I will not tolerate my name as a player being slandered without cause.

You were the only player who showed any interest in reaching out to me; and I enjoyed Onamont's interactions with your character.

Mostly it was the extraordinarily aura of bitterness that surrounds Velax everywhere he goes: and the whole thing where he told me he would OOC exclude me from any realm he was in; he actually did that on this forum, as it were.

This is true as well. There are several nobles in Kindara who Malos does respect like the now-deceased Alpha And Piotrek because they engaged and talked on matters of faith and harmony. And I do remember that comment by Velax because it struck me as being quite cruel at the time, I can't remember what caused it though.

[Gustav Kuriga]

That's because insulting a bunch of people and just being a jerk isnt actually a crime and no OOC clan exists to persecute Malos like he claims. So, he's been excluded from the Great Debate Hall and generally shunned IC, because contrary to Ravier's belief, everyone doesn't love an antagonistic noble who clearly has no intentions of getting along with anyone, period. If anything, Ravier is punishing himself by staying if he hates Kindara so much, or just enjoys being a troll, which seems pretty clear by this point.

I should have known better than to feed him in the first place, though, so back I'll leave it be like Arrakis requested.

Edit: Fixed, Ravier's name.

If he wants to do that kind of things, come to Thalmarkin. While still looked down upon, you'll at least have company that will appreciate your character's attitude.

[Velax]

If you asked Henry II what priests were good for, 'useless class' would probably be one of the kinder things he could say. BM has it even worse because unlike medieval priests, BM priests are probably chewing up an estate with income that is going to the priesthood rather than military service to the crown.

Obviously priests aren't useless in the game, but to a wartime King ... at least you can throw a fish with an umbrella at Velax on the battlefield. You can't throw a priest.

I never said priests were useless. More exaggerating by a bitter, bitter man. I don't remember the incident he's talking about, but most likely I said priests shouldn't be in an Army as there's very little they can do there. But they are not useless. Velax has a number of times had priests travel to regions and use their abilities to raise Loyalty.

[Scarlett]

lol, I think you overestimate how much council Hireshmont took with other people. B

You're quite possibly correct, because one of the side effects of people not telling you things is that you don't know why something is or isn't happening.

But Quintus asked for a certain amount of that with how he was, and he reaped plenty of benefits from that stance as well. So I don't complain about it - I just observe it as a natural consequence of his attitude.

[Velax]

Mostly it was the extraordinarily aura of bitterness that surrounds Velax everywhere he goes: and the whole thing where he told me he would OOC exclude me from any realm he was in; he actually did that on this forum, as it were.

Ah, yes, that was after you admitted to exploiting the in-game vulgarity function to pass sensitive messages to other realms and then had a presto-chango conversion when called on it. As for excluding you, if someone is going to deliberately send sensitive messages to other realms using an exploit, the intelligent thing to do would be to make sure they don't get any, no? As for actually carrying it out in game, I never bothered. Again, your character just wasn't that important in Kindara.

[Vellos]

Ah, yes, that was after you admitted to exploiting the in-game vulgarity function to pass sensitive messages to other realms and then had a presto-chango conversion when called on it. As for excluding you, if someone is going to deliberately send sensitive messages to other realms using an exploit, the intelligent thing to do would be to make sure they don't get any, no? As for actually carrying it out in game, I never bothered. Again, your character just wasn't that important in Kindara.

Yeah this is pretty much what I mean.

[Velax]

Split this into a new thread. Not really fair to bury the old one in flames and trolling.

[Indirik]

I'd gladly go to war if it wouldn't plunge the religion into chaos (as in the elder/priest threshold dropping below 66%).

There is no such threshold.

There is a 50% threshold of priests to non-priests in elder ranks. If you fall below 50% priests in the elders, you cannot promote any more non-priests to elder status. But that's it. There is no "plunge into chaos" for it. You just can't promote non-priests.

What you may be thinking of is the no-priests thing that causes the religion to fall apart.

[Chaotrance13]

There is no such threshold.

There is a 50% threshold of priests to non-priests in elder ranks. If you fall below 50% priests in the elders, you cannot promote any more non-priests to elder status. But that's it. There is no "plunge into chaos" for it. You just can't promote non-priests.

What you may be thinking of is the no-priests thing that causes the religion to fall apart.

Ah yes, that's what I was thinking of. Thanks for clearing that up. So if I did convert Malos back to a Warrior at least the faith wouldn't implode.

[Ender]

Maybe if you actually bothered to extend a hand, hell even a finger, to him, he'd co-operate. And on the charge of being antagonistic, since when in the past two-three months has he done that? Not one instance. He has been doing exactly what I said - going around, preaching and doing maintenance on temples because that's all he can do right now. I'd gladly go to war if it wouldn't plunge the religion into chaos (as in the elder/priest threshold dropping below 66%). When we had the issue regarding the Margrave of Azros attempting to close down the temple there, did he go berzerk and start preaching hellfire and brimstone? No. He went to Azros to discuss the issue and let it lie in the end, in fact the faith was commended for that fact by Galiard if I do recall.

The character, nor myself for that matter, are not completely unreasonable. Malos, like Ravier and Ventus, is a zealot and will chase something down if he believes in it.

It is entirely true that Edmund and Malos stopped speaking after he was suspended from the Great Debate Hall and just as Edmund could have written Malos to mend things, Malos could have written Edmund to do the same. Instead, Edmund was more than happy to just ignore Malos and deal with the rest of the Church of Humanity when required. Solarus tends to be his contact there the precious few times he's needed to discuss something, like the event in Azros.

The way you choose to play Malos is fine and I'm glad he has convictions, but don't expect another character to be willing to be friends when 95% percent of his interactions with Malos have been pretty negative.

If you think I am a troll, then instead of pointing the finger, take it to the Magistrates or Titans. Because I will not tolerate my name as a player being slandered without cause.

And if you genuinely think there is some massive OOC clan conspiracy to exclude you and only you, then do the same. My problem with Malos is purely in game and in character and can be fixed. There are few characters I've run into while playing this game that my characters cant mend fences with eventually.

I only started having a problem with you in particular when I noticed that you have a tendency of making forum posts about how an OOC clan in Kindara was deliberately out to get you while implicating myself and Velax (like in the EC thread a while back and in this thread now). I take the separation of IC/OOC pretty seriously and don't appreciate people making Kindara out to be something it's not or implying we punish any random character without just cause in game or through OOC methods.

You were the only player who showed any interest in reaching out to me; and I enjoyed Onamont's interactions with your character.

When I remember I do try to make sure I make contact with as many nobles as possible, particularly new ones. I wish more higher placed nobles or even knights did so, just to make a showing, but it is what it is.