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101 Ways to Destabalize the Northern Astroist Federation

Started by pcw27, May 20, 2013, 11:28:01 PM

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Chenier

Quote from: Vellos on May 22, 2013, 04:54:02 PM
I mean, all we need to achieve this is:
1. Humiliate Asylon and get Phantaria incorporated/converted
2. Open up Barca to conversion and temple-building
3. Complete conversion of Fissoa
4. Destroy and replace Falkirk
5. Convert Aurvandil

Items 1-3 are all totally feasible and seem likely to be achieved. Item 4 is harder, but certainly do-able. Item 5 would be a real trick.

But if we are able to Astroize the whole continent except Aurvandil, that'll be enough for me. I'm fine with having one pariah state.

Number 5 is out of the question. Aurvandil will suffer the same fate as Falkirk. It's strength is not what it used to be, now that there's no (or less) cheating involved.
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Daimall

Quote from: Wolfsong on May 21, 2013, 01:21:12 AM
7. War of Flowers: Church-sanctioned wars between SA members - terms decided beforehand - loser pays winner x amount. Like tournaments, but with more peasant death.

8.Have a theocracy's ruler refuse to join an ongoing crusade.

Glaumring the Fox

All of those are fine goals that have no bearing on reality and would be a boring slog.
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Indirik

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Chenier

Quote from: Indirik on May 22, 2013, 10:30:14 PM
... except that #8 just happened.

That'll teach the church to ignore a rebellion against a legitimate theocratic ruler.

Seriously, isn't it in the charters somewhere that the theocracies have the obligation to support theocratic governments from rebellions and secessions?
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Daimall

There is a line in regards to that, but I think that Turin has graciously decline to push that clause forward, partly because I think the rebellion finished before the charter was fully ratified and released to the church at large.

Peri

Quote from: Indirik on May 21, 2013, 01:34:11 AM
Astrum and Morek have no reason to fight. Their one-time rulers, Brance and Bustoarsenzio, were close friends. There was really only one incident, many years ago, that saw Morek and Astrum at odds.
8)

Glaumring the Fox

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Indirik

If any break happens in the church over this, it will very anticlimatic. The entire purpose of theocratic rulers being in the elder council is so they can give their opinions on matters that concer them. The entire time the crusade was being discussed and debated, Leopold didn't say a single word. Then when it gets declared, Leopold, with no warning or prior discussion, publicly declares that his realm is ignoring the crusade and refuses to support it.

And now several people have come forth and are claiming that the prophet told them, in private letters, that the can ignore the call for crusade with his blessings.

* Indirik is confused
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Vellos

Quote from: Indirik on May 23, 2013, 01:01:24 AM
If any break happens in the church over this, it will very anticlimatic. The entire purpose of theocratic rulers being in the elder council is so they can give their opinions on matters that concer them. The entire time the crusade was being discussed and debated, Leopold didn't say a single word. Then when it gets declared, Leopold, with no warning or prior discussion, publicly declares that his realm is ignoring the crusade and refuses to support it.

And now several people have come forth and are claiming that the prophet told them, in private letters, that the can ignore the call for crusade with his blessings.

* Indirik is confused

My bet is either the player of the hosenfeffer family is just trying to cause some chaos, or else the anti-crusaders are lying.
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Perth

Quote from: Vellos on May 23, 2013, 05:41:07 AM
My bet is either the player of the hosenfeffer family is just trying to cause some chaos, or else the anti-crusaders are lying.

Like I said, Mathurin has been in Phantaria RPing with Kale the past several days...
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Chenier

Quote from: Vellos on May 23, 2013, 05:41:07 AM
My bet is either the player of the hosenfeffer family is just trying to cause some chaos, or else the anti-crusaders are lying.

Or that, you know, he's seeing how much chaos the declaration is causing and he's trying to to lend a hand to those who oppose it instead of forcing a total break?
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Anaris

Yeah; that sounds like Mathurin trying to ease tensions, by making it officially OK for people who don't want to follow this crusade (which, by the sounds of it, doesn't actually need the full military force of the Church behind it).

However, this cries out, to me, for some ambitious Astromancer to declare that Mathurin is no longer the true Prophet: he is clearly putting secular desires above the good of the Church! Time for a new Prophet, one who still retains his zeal and unswerving devotion to the Stars! ;D
Timothy Collett

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Vellos

Quote from: Perth on May 23, 2013, 07:53:04 AM
Like I said, Mathurin has been in Phantaria RPing with Kale the past several days...

Damn Prophet.

Just accept the freakin' treaty already.
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pcw27

Quote from: Vellos on May 23, 2013, 05:41:07 AM
My bet is either the player of the hosenfeffer family is just trying to cause some chaos, or else the anti-crusaders are lying.

He's made multiple public announcements that it is not OK to reject the crusade or the authority of himself and the church.