Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.

[Vellos]

Give them their positions back? Why on earth would we care to do that...

Because you have a major war with Luria Nova coming up and having Astroist priests kicking your lords out of their regions could be bad for business?

[Chenier]

Because you have a major war with Luria Nova coming up and having Astroist priests kicking your lords out of their regions could be bad for business?

Ooooh, I'd love to see Luria Nova use priests against a faithful realm, after declaring war on a theocracy. How very pious of them.

Besides, most of our nobles are astroists anyways, and Lurians can't claim regions from astroist lords. And both D'Hara and Morek have their own astroist priests... that could go both ways.

If it comes down to this, however, it'll finally clearly be made clear why not being able to kick priests out of a religion is a stupid mechanic.

[Vellos]

Ooooh, I'd love to see Luria Nova use priests against a faithful realm, after declaring war on a theocracy. How very pious of them.

Besides, most of our nobles are astroists anyways, and Lurians can't claim regions from astroist lords. And both D'Hara and Morek have their own astroist priests... that could go both ways.

If it comes down to this, however, it'll finally clearly be made clear why not being able to kick priests out of a religion is a stupid mechanic.

Why would the church be opposed to LN using priests to harass a realm that has not had a single person respond to a crusade, and has just annexed an entire theocracy, even as we were trying to settle changes in another? How do you think that looks, hm?

[Sarwell]

Give them their positions back? Why on earth would we care to do that...

Don't think Kale didn't leak Pierre's letters to everyone else in Phantaria (he did). It's a bit of a stretch to say "give them their positions back", but Pierre's letter does state that he is conceding that only Astroist lords be elected to Gretchew, Saffalore, and Chateau Saffalore, including leaving the current regional lords in their place.

[Zakilevo]

Since when was D'Hara a faithful realm? D'Hara isn't a theocracy :p

[Lefanis]

Playing this for Niselur:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa9CvDPXYNI   

[Marlboro]

Give them their positions back? Why on earth would we care to do that...

Bwahaha, they forgot who the Duke of Paisly was.

Speaking of, this is the second duchy Paul's all but won for you (We knew Terran would secede well before we marched south).

[Sacha]

Ooooh, I'd love to see Luria Nova use priests against a faithful realm, after declaring war on a theocracy. How very pious of them.

One word: Jonsu

[Frostwood]

Annexing Terran is really bad optics as it was the core of the chuch's crack.  The previous crusade seems even more worthless.  Not to mention lands being taken by a non-theocracy, another key issue of the war.

[Chenier]

Why would the church be opposed to LN using priests to harass a realm that has not had a single person respond to a crusade, and has just annexed an entire theocracy, even as we were trying to settle changes in another? How do you think that looks, hm?

You mean, the realm that not only refuses to abide by the crusade, but also attacks one of the theocracies? At least D'Hara doesn't go out of its way to work AGAINST the crusade, it's just busy with other stuff.

[Chenier]

Annexing Terran is really bad optics as it was the core of the chuch's crack.  The previous crusade seems even more worthless.  Not to mention lands being taken by a non-theocracy, another key issue of the war.

Seems to send a good message, though.

A crusade that broke the Church over a theocracy that doesn't even want to live and that offers itself freely to a non-theocracy.

Had Luria Vesperi reformed to a theocracy, I doubt the church would have declared a crusade to protect it. Imposing a theocracy in the middle of republican lands, surrounded by hostile neighbors... was a stupid idea. The theocrats are a minority in the faith, and the theocracies cannot control the Church as they once could. They should not have tried pretending they could.

[Stabbity]

You mean, the realm that not only refuses to abide by the crusade, but also attacks one of the theocracies? At least D'Hara doesn't go out of its way to work AGAINST the crusade, it's just busy with other stuff.

Yea, undoing the work of the previous Crusade in annexing a theocracy to a clearly non faithful realm with a Monarch who is the world's most blatant political convert is clearly being too busy. Or perhaps you are just too busy arresting and robbing senior members of the faith.

[Chenier]

Yea, undoing the work of the previous Crusade in annexing a theocracy to a clearly non faithful realm with a Monarch who is the world's most blatant political convert is clearly being too busy. Or perhaps you are just too busy arresting and robbing senior members of the faith.

If Lurian ambassadors didn't pretend to be on priest duties when going to influence regional sympathies against D'Hara, maybe they wouldn't get arrested as much.

[Stabbity]

If Lurian ambassadors didn't pretend to be on priest duties when going to influence regional sympathies against D'Hara, maybe they wouldn't get arrested as much.

Maybe if D'hara had a clue about Malus they would realize that Church affairs are his area. Jonsu is the one who influences the populatiom against D'hara.

Or you know, putting diplomacy above being stupid and pursuing petty grudges.

[Anaris]

If Lurian ambassadors didn't pretend to be on priest duties when going to influence regional sympathies against D'Hara, maybe they wouldn't get arrested as much.

If you'd even pretended that was why Malus was arrested, this might not sound quite so stupid.

Kendal arrested Malus because of a personal grudge. It had nothing to do with purported actions against D'Hara in the present.