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OOC comments insulting another player
Tom:
--- Quote from: Ketchum on September 06, 2013, 03:25:54 AM ---Erm... I thought we want to understand the reason why Actrial wrote OOC and what is the motivation,
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No, we don't. Why would we? If he is insulting and breaking the Social Contract, does it matter why he does it? No, it doesn't. The Social Contract is absolute. It says "Do not insult or harass other players", and not "don't insult others unless you think you have a good reason".
Tom:
--- Quote from: Ketchum on September 06, 2013, 05:31:47 AM ---I think we may need draw a chronology of events that led to this OOC messages.
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So?
It doesn't matter.
There is absolutely no justification for breaking the Social Contract. All this is just side-tracking the actual issue. Stop arguing as if you were in a court of law, you aren't.
Did he break the Social Contract? Yes or no. That is the ONLY thing that needs answering, everything else is utterly and completely irrelevant.
Lavigna:
If Actrial was provoked to write those OOC messages then that is another case and it should be raised by him and no other and of course be judged individually.
His actions cannot be justified just because there may be a motivation behind them and it is not the job of Magistrates to play detectives and search behind the scenes. The one who feels offended ends ups here and claims his right for justice. It's pretty simple.
If someone defends himself with offense then he automatically becomes an offender himself.
Eirikr:
--- Quote from: vonGenf on September 06, 2013, 01:48:50 PM ---I'm not sure that voting is particularly helpful to the debate.......
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I'm also quite sure it's the job of the Magistrates to do that, not general forum users regardless of rank (except Tom, of course).
steelabjur@aol.com:
Speaking as a person who isn't a "mods camping this subforum" I think this is a pretty open and shut case. As Tom pointed out, the rules are clear and it's obvious that his intent was to insult another player. In fact I'd go so far as to say that he has used this case as a platform to continue to attack said player and others and that he sees no issues with his actions:
--- Quote from: Kai on September 05, 2013, 06:01:08 AM ---Point of inaccuracy, I wasn't in the army at the time, so I don't think I can be marshal. Apart from that I completely agree with what I said and wouldn't change a thing. You give orders for 6 months and then some incompetent wrecks everything in 2 weeks and won't even let you fix it because of his ego.
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--- Quote from: Kai on September 05, 2013, 07:22:45 PM ---This wasn't the problem at all. If you haven't read Ketchum's post it's a waste of your time to post anything.
The events were
1. terrible command from Ceasar
2. called him out for terrible orders
3. reply from Ceasar in a very tiresome way with both characters
4. sent OOC message 1 with the 3 bullet points, at the same time posting new orders that aren't bad
5. predictably, Ceasar countermands the orders, obviously because he is mad that I called him bad. Obviously this isn't provable (the beloved IC shield) but as you say, he doesn't have strategic acumen and has had no legitimate strategic contribution for the past 6 months, so I really doubt it was conviction in his strategy. I don't care about this retaliation though.
6. second OOC message with final bullet point
7. Eric always reports me lol <3
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--- Quote from: Kai on September 05, 2013, 07:22:45 PM ---Also can I get comments from people who aren't mods camping this subforum? The reasons why I would like that are pretty much explained by these posts:
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,5032.msg118610.html#msg118610 (dominance of users with titles)
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,4969.msg117198.html#msg117198 (insularity of subforums)
I can understand why people don't come here though. Most of the cases are very petty.
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--- Quote from: Kai on September 05, 2013, 07:48:06 PM ---Your spam about irrelevance is just covering yourself. Surely you have to admit that you shouldn't talk about a case if you haven't got at least a decent understanding of events. You basically admitted to not reading the thread, and jumping straight into your judgement.
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Did you even read that second post? Yes I want everyone to see how inane this subforum is (secret ballot by a council with no summary of judgement, worst legal system ever), and how it is dominated by people (like you)(which I specify, or I'll probably be accused of being passive aggressive) who:
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I don't know if it is proper for me to suggest this, but I recommend that the Magistrates take into consideration the attitude he has displayed in this thread to yourselves and his fellow players when deciding sentencing.
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