The War of Thalmarkin... Supremacy?

[Cren]

It's quite funny how using obvious lies has become a part of diplomatic strategy. Never really saw it on BT before (except perhaps Chenier), and it leads to some tricky business for the ones trying to avoid it :p

Everyone already knows that Fronen were attacking Thalmarkin, and we beat you to it (though not really, since we attacked Melhed, not Fronen). Question is only which side people will prefer.

That was what Pavel was going around saying. But the thing is Fronen wasn't going to assault the forces in Jyl. The forces there was to make sure that Thals don't interfere with the TO of Junohep, a sort of scouting party. It failed its purpose as everyone there was more or less inactive (including me).

[Disturbedyang]

That was what Pavel was going around saying. But the thing is Fronen wasn't going to assault the forces in Jyl. The forces there was to make sure that Thals don't interfere with the TO of Junohep, a sort of scouting party. It failed its purpose as everyone there was more or less inactive (including me).

Haha, hushhhh. This is suppose to be only OOC, and i hope Fingolfin takes it that way too. :p

It's quite funny how using obvious lies has become a part of diplomatic strategy. Never really saw it on BT before (except perhaps Chenier), and it leads to some tricky business for the ones trying to avoid it :p

Everyone already knows that Fronen were attacking Thalmarkin, and we beat you to it (though not really, since we attacked Melhed, not Fronen). Question is only which side people will prefer.

If you keep it OOC, I will tell you that Fronen had no intention to fight the Thals. Pavel knows it since very long ago, and hence have been using numerous ways to bring them into it. The mercenary thing being one of them, knowing very well if Fingolfin accept, good for Melhed. If they don't, doesn't matter because Fronen will be pressured to join in the fight. :) So now the Thals sort of brought it to themselves, because perhaps Nothoi and Spearhold will finally openly join now that the Fronen did.

[Indirik]

Caelum could send one noble to join. Maybe two! :)

[Lorgan]

It was made clear from the start that Thal entered the war for two purposes: defend OG and punish Melhed. Perhaps Fronen tried to keep us off their back but that at least was never seriously considered by Thalmarkin, nor do I believe any indication was given that it would be.

So basically, if you don't intend to fight us, best don't attack our allies and especially don't team up with Pavel. Also, don't sit in a region of a realm we are undoubtedly at war with...  ::) :)

If this battle was all the other realms needed to join in on Fronen's side, they're guilty of procrastinating more than anything.

[Solari]

If you keep it OOC, I will tell you that Fronen had no intention to fight the Thals.

I'm not sure if you're being very careful about your phrasing or not, but Pavel pleaded with Fronen's ruler to come protect Melhed from Thalmarkin. I think the language even started to drift into the realm of (paraphrasing) "come help us fight the Thals". That's where Fronen was headed. To Melhed. Knowing full well that Thalmarkin was in Jyl, that Melhed was leaving Fronepu, and that Thalmarkin would be caught in the middle. This was all discussed between Melhed and Fronen. We don't know this IC, and we haven't acted on it IC. We know it OOC (now), because people chat about this stuff after the fact. IC, we literally bumbled into Fronen's army when we circled back around from looting Melhed to go help OG retake Yipinalke. So please don't take IC propaganda OOC. It's poor form, and it makes the kind of armchair quarterbacking that the forums allows for impossible.  :)

[Disturbedyang]

I'm not sure if you're being very careful about your phrasing or not, but Pavel pleaded with Fronen's ruler to come protect Melhed from Thalmarkin. I think the language even started to drift into the realm of (paraphrasing) "come help us fight the Thals". That's where Fronen was headed. To Melhed. Knowing full well that Thalmarkin was in Jyl, that Melhed was leaving Fronepu, and that Thalmarkin would be caught in the middle. This was all discussed between Melhed and Fronen. We don't know this IC, and we haven't acted on it IC. We know it OOC (now), because people chat about this stuff after the fact. IC, we literally bumbled into Fronen's army when we circled back around from looting Melhed to go help OG retake Yipinalke. So please don't take IC propaganda OOC. It's poor form, and it makes the kind of armchair quarterbacking that the forums allows for impossible.  :)

You might compare me with people that always mix OOCly and ICly. I am not one of those. The way I play my characters, you should know better. I enjoy this game simply because of that. And we were DESPERATE for Fronen's help and tried tons of ways to get them into this war. The fact was, they were indeed rallying in Junohep. I have no idea how they got to Jyl nor their intention. But as far as i know, the way they play it out, it seems like they are only interested in grabbing more lands and fighting OG. Their last promise was only to get OG off our back, not fight the Thals despite Pavel's pleas. And that, i can promise you. However, as i said, these are only explanation OOC. One should never take judgements ICly based on these OOC statements.

And thanks for looking so high up on Melhed's and Fronen's collaboration! Haha. I have no idea if Maya did anything to organize the Jyl thing though, but Pavel certainly did not. And it would look stupid however if they did because Fronen stayed at Yipinalke while Melhed moved into Jyl. Opps, Pavel is already dead. :p And Dorothea is no part of anything in it. She wasn't even in the council for now.

[Solari]

I'm not really going to continue belaboring this point, but just to be clear: Fronen knew what it was doing. Melhed knew what is was doing. I haven't really seen an OOC denial from anyone but you, which is unfortunate, since people involved have directly contradicted what you're saying now. Nothing wrong with a good old fashioned IC propaganda war. Coming onto the forums and either lying to everyone or deluding oneself is another matter. This is a game. Treat it as such, and have a little fun.

[Disturbedyang]

I'm not really going to continue belaboring this point, but just to be clear: Fronen knew what it was doing. Melhed knew what is was doing. I haven't really seen an OOC denial from anyone but you, which is unfortunate, since people involved have directly contradicted what you're saying now. Nothing wrong with a good old fashioned IC propaganda war. Coming onto the forums and either lying to everyone or deluding oneself is another matter. This is a game. Treat it as such, and have a little fun.

lol, i didn't know you are exactly the same as your character fingolfin. I did not see anyone post anything contradicted what i said. And I think you are the one taking it more serious than me. Believe what you want, i have no reason to lie especially since the king died. I can post a long post with all the letters here(which the GM won't allow), but it's an OOC post. Disregard or not, nobody cares. I mentioned it before not to take it ICly, and i do not know why you think my statement will affect it in-game. It is meant to be ooc statement and just at that. :) Enjoy the game, mate. I think you have a trust issue. haha

[Anaris]

lol, i didn't know you are exactly the same as your character fingolfin.

Um...dude, you got the wrong guy. Solari plays (oddly enough) the Solari family. Not the Noldorin family.

[Disturbedyang]

Um...dude, you got the wrong guy. Solari plays (oddly enough) the Solari family. Not the Noldorin family.

oh ah, my apologizes. Yeah, the enzo dude. Haha. My sincere apologies. :p

[Antonine]

I think some confusion might stem from the fact that my character Selene took certain diplomatic matters into her own hands due to not getting much guidance from Pavel. And after he died she did, for example, ask Fronen to send military aid - that might be how Fronen could be coming to fight Thalmarkin without Pavel having himself asked for it.

[Disturbedyang]

I think some confusion might stem from the fact that my character Selene took certain diplomatic matters into her own hands due to not getting much guidance from Pavel. And after he died she did, for example, ask Fronen to send military aid - that might be how Fronen could be coming to fight Thalmarkin without Pavel having himself asked for it.

Yeap, perhaps Fronen finally listened. But accusing me of throwing off a propaganda OOCly is not cool imo. Regardless, lets drop that so that we don't go back to another flame war. Let's hope now the war will be much more interesting. :)

[Antonine]

Things I do not like about this war:

Being marshal of Melhed and having to deal with three invading armies at the same time AND knowing that there's a fourth army liable to invade at any time.

[jaune]

I know one :P Heard rumours about one another... no clue about the rest

[Lorgan]

Well, AA is in Trottie, OG is in Yipin, the mighty Eagles are in Jyl and the Wolves suck so much they've probably taken a wrong turn somewhere and gotten lost. :)