Per Vassal Taxes and Stipends

[Indirik]

I think it would be a lot of work to set up a communist system with the changes I propose here.

To set up a completely share-and-share-alike system, where everyone gets the exact same amount of gold? Sure, that would be pretty tough. You'd still have some variation due to all kinds of things like production changes, trade balances, militia payments, etc. But the essence of your proposed change is "from each according to their means, to each according to their needs". You said it yourself in your original proposal:

This would allow realms to ensure that those who need money get in in a clean and automated fashion. Should a noble be in need of a certain level of cashflow (to support a unit for example), this can be ensured regardless of where their estate is.

You're trying to implement an automatic system so that everyone will get whatever they need. The problem is that the system was designed so that doesn't happen. It is intentionally a "bottom up" system, and NOT "top down".

It is 100% intentional that not all nobles will have the same income. It is intended that the knight of a rich city makes more than the knight of a poor badlands. And quite possibly has a higher income than some lords. The system is intentionally unequal. Some nobles won't have all the gold they want or need. Some will have excessively large surplus incomes. That's the way the world works.

If you want to take away this intentional inequality among the nobility, then that's a major design decision. You'll have to convince Anaris/Tom that a return to a communistic "every gets what they need" system is desirable. Once you have buy-in that this is OK, then you can start threads like this to discuss the exact mechanics of how to make it happen.

[De-Legro]

I don't think I've ever seen a guild designed for automated gold distribution actually work. Lots of people have tried to set it up, but it never really works out in the end.

Also, as i said in the last thread about this, a system that allows the return of automated socialism/equality of taxes across the realm it's not desired, and almost certainly won't be approved. Out loud fully intentional that taxes and incomes are unequal.

The Lions in Fontan made it work. Mind you the other Fontan armies that tried to replicated the system failed.

[Anaris]

The Fontan Lions were also largely run by either a multi or a multi-cluster. They should never be held up as an example of "how to do" anything in BattleMaster—more like "how not to do" armies, and more importantly how not to react to Titan decisions, given what ultimately led to half the army quitting the game all at once.

[De-Legro]

The Fontan Lions were also largely run by either a multi or a multi-cluster. They should never be held up as an example of "how to do" anything in BattleMaster—more like "how not to do" armies, and more importantly how not to react to Titan decisions, given what ultimately led to half the army quitting the game all at once.

There were several players in the structure not part of that group though, in fact some of the biggest financial contributors.

[Eldargard]

To set up a completely share-and-share-alike system, where everyone gets the exact same amount of gold? Sure, that would be pretty tough. You'd still have some variation due to all kinds of things like production changes, trade balances, militia payments, etc. But the essence of your proposed change is "from each according to their means, to each according to their needs". You said it yourself in your original proposal:

You're trying to implement an automatic system so that everyone will get whatever they need. The problem is that the system was designed so that doesn't happen. It is intentionally a "bottom up" system, and NOT "top down".

It is 100% intentional that not all nobles will have the same income. It is intended that the knight of a rich city makes more than the knight of a poor badlands. And quite possibly has a higher income than some lords. The system is intentionally unequal. Some nobles won't have all the gold they want or need. Some will have excessively large surplus incomes. That's the way the world works.

If you want to take away this intentional inequality among the nobility, then that's a major design decision. You'll have to convince Anaris/Tom that a return to a communistic "every gets what they need" system is desirable. Once you have buy-in that this is OK, then you can start threads like this to discuss the exact mechanics of how to make it happen.

OK. Makes sense!

[Kai]

sum(region taxes)/noblbes

[De-Legro]

sum(region taxes)/noblbes

Yes, as Indirik said, not going to happen without convincing Tom.

[Kai]

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

[Sacha]

The thing is that the potential value of a region is more than just it's gold production. Perhaps due to the current political borders it holds a good strategic position. Perhaps some worthwhile infrastructure is build on it. If it is worth it for a realm to hold it would be nice if there was a way to ensure the guy stuck with it gets well paid without having to go asking for gold and having to deal with a bunch of manual transfers.

So basically having their cake and eating it too :P

[Eldargard]

So basically having their cake and eating it too :P

Not really. That would be making crappy regions suddenly profitable goldwise. I never suggested this.

[Sacha]

Not really. That would be making crappy regions suddenly profitable goldwise. I never suggested this.

You said exactly that though :P

"...it would be nice if there was a way to ensure the guy stuck with it gets well paid without having to go asking for gold...

[Bedwyr]

You said exactly that though :P

"...it would be nice if there was a way to ensure the guy stuck with it gets well paid without having to go asking for gold...

Sacha: Paid for from other regions.  Hence the stipends, which is literally what the entire thread is about.