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Started by Antonine, June 06, 2011, 02:21:21 AM

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Antonine

June 06, 2011, 02:21:21 AM
In Thalmarkin we recently had an unusual situation.

A candidate running for general was banned in the middle of the election for an unrelated reason. However, the judge was then protested out of office. The ban remained in place and the candidate in question won the election. However, the ban was due to come into effect one turn after the candidate had been elected. When the turn came the noble remained in the realm and, according to the player, the ban ticker disappeared. But the ban still remains on his family's page and has never been lifted. A new judge has not yet been elected.

So is this a bug or is it something else?

De-Legro

#1
June 06, 2011, 02:44:11 AM
Sure seems that way. So far as I know the ban should have been applied, but it seems to have only been half applied. That is it was applied to the characters history, but not actually carried out within the realm.
Previously of the De-Legro Family
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Bedwyr

#2
June 06, 2011, 03:17:18 AM
That's probably because the new General's Council immunity prevented the ban from being implemented, but the ban was spoken and I don't know of any means where things are ever removed from family histories.
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jaune

#3
June 06, 2011, 08:49:08 AM
I wonder what will happen if he dont get elected next month? Will ban take effect or does it go totally null?
~Violence is always an option!~

Antonine

#4
June 06, 2011, 01:32:33 PM
Well it sounds to me like the game needs a tie breaker here then. It should either be that the ban prevents him from running in elections or that a message pops up saying that the ban has been lifted due to his immunity as a council member.

Anaris

#5
June 06, 2011, 01:38:31 PM
I'm inclined to make it the former.  He may not have been sent rogue before the election ended, but the ban did go into effect in all other ways before then, preventing him from recruiting, cashing bonds, or rebelling.  I don't see any reason why people who have been banned should be able to run for office.
Timothy Collett

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Antonine

#6
June 06, 2011, 01:40:16 PM
Well yeah, that would be my instinct as well. I suppose the alternative otherwise would be for players to couple exiling with a ban in order to try and keep them from running.

Anaris

#7
June 06, 2011, 01:41:31 PM
How many times do I have to say it?

Once someone is exiled, they cannot be banned!
Timothy Collett

"The only thing you can't trade for your heart's desire...is your heart." "You are what you do.  Choose again, and change." "One of these days, someone's gonna plug you, and you're going to die saying, 'What did I say? What did I say?'"  ~ Miles Naismith Vorkosigan

Antonine

#8
June 06, 2011, 02:00:41 PM
Sorry Delvin - I wasn't aware of that. Probably because it's not mentioned on the ban page on the wiki.

Anaris

#9
June 06, 2011, 03:00:36 PM
Quote from: Antonine on June 06, 2011, 02:00:41 PM
Sorry Delvin - I wasn't aware of that. Probably because it's not mentioned on the ban page on the wiki.

Seems to me it ought to be on the Exile page.

...Which seems not to exist.  Hm.

Wanna create it, while I fix some more bugs? ;D

(Yes, typical dev, I hate writing documentation ;) )
Timothy Collett

"The only thing you can't trade for your heart's desire...is your heart." "You are what you do.  Choose again, and change." "One of these days, someone's gonna plug you, and you're going to die saying, 'What did I say? What did I say?'"  ~ Miles Naismith Vorkosigan

Indirik

#10
June 06, 2011, 04:04:58 PM
Wiki page added.
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Antonine

#11
June 06, 2011, 06:30:21 PM

Foundation

#12
June 07, 2011, 08:23:14 AM
Quote from: Anaris on June 06, 2011, 03:00:36 PM
Seems to me it ought to be on the Exile page.

...Which seems not to exist.  Hm.

Wanna create it, while I fix some more bugs? ;D

(Yes, typical dev, I hate writing documentation ;) )

I love writing documentation!  For other people. :P
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Pyrix

#13
June 10, 2011, 12:12:39 AM
I'm the current Judge of Thalmarkin.  The Grand Marshal in this discussion still shows that he has an active ban from my predecessor.  Just out of curiosity we're going to leave it in place to see what happens if he ever steps down or gets voted out.

On a related note, has anybody run into the situation where a knight has been awarded enough good marks to gain immunity from all punishment, and his Lord is a council member, who is also immune?  There seems to be no recourse as a judge to punish either the deserving party or to pass on the fine to his Lord.   Essentially this means that the knights of council members who are also region lords can run amok with impunity provided they have enough good marks to protect them.  This has caused a problem twice in our realm and it seems like a broken mechanic as it renders the judge powerless against a certain group of nobles who aren't even on the ruling council.

songqu88@gmail.com

#14
June 10, 2011, 12:14:46 AM
Try to protest the council lord out? If you can't manage that, then you might be on the wrong side of the conflict. If you're not, then sucks for you to have made that guy lord and council member.
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