Etiquette Issue question...

[Trager]

Read the Titans' text, and apparently can't use that to ask.. but.. was dinged for an honor point, and can't see why... unless it's for use of the word "ass", which is meant as "jackass" which is normally fine for even saying in church, much less grown people in general... sooo.. if someone can see the message below, and tell me why this was voted for, for the vulgarity button, I'd appreciate it... Unless it's simply people who said it was vulgar, just to be done with it, without really judging it properly... and it was said in a conversational way, and about someone who is playing their character the way I imply, but I still refrained from "talking like I'm in a dive bar" and don't see the problem...

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Etiquette Issue   (6 days, 7 hours ago)
One of your recent messages, reproduced below, has caused many raised eyebrows among your peers and fellow nobles agree that this way of talking is unbefitting of a noble. Your respect among the nobility falls, resulting in a loss of a point of honour.
The Message:

Message Delivered
Letter from Fayren Maximoff
Message sent to everyone in the region Corali Forest (10 recipients)
Priest Activity   (just in)
You are being informed that Ivore, a priest of Shadowism, has been seen preaching in Corali Forest.


You've been told many times you are not allowed to do that here... and you're using diplomacy (us not being at war) to abuse it... I'll be copying this to the Senate.. I do so hope they eject you from the kingdom, so we can arrest you and treat you like the rogue element you actually are...

Fayren Maximoff
Countess of Corali Forest

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This man has repeatedly been told, then comes back essentially responding with "nanny nanny boo boo, you can't touch me, so I can do what I want"... Could someone PLEASE punish this man, in a way he actually can feel it, or otherwise the leaders of Shadowism cause him some discomfort... Otherwise, I'll be forced to "request" harder measures, maybe even take one up myself... and it will be against Ivore personally.. NOT against a kindom, so it shouldn't be viewed as a political strike against the kingdom he's with... the man's being an ass just because he can, and dishonoring the politics he lives under, and those who lead him, every time he breaks the word of someone who says he's been spoken to, and won't do this anymore..

[Anaris]

First of all, if you want people to understand that you are talking about a donkey, you will need to be more explicit. "Ass" in the other sense is certainly the type of crude language that would result in a nobleman being viewed as less than refined.

Second, if you want someone to do something about a priest, you need to ask in-game. No one here is going to do anything about someone using perfectly legitimate in-game options in perfectly legitimate ways, even if those uses are annoying to you personally.

That said, I'm not at all sure why that particular message was marked as vulgar. I don't offhand see anything there that qualifies.

[Trager]

You are right, I wasn't asking (by posting that here) for in game action.. just mainly trying to see if the "conditions for vulgarity" were tripped, so that means I deserved the punishment.. or if it seemed people were just saying "yes" while I was actually innocent... Seems it's the latter, people just saying it was, either out of being lazy and not reading and just assuming, or because they were happy to cause someone harm (no matter how little) and ignored the actual intent of the reporting process...

Can leave this up as an example (not sure how many would actually read though) or it can be deleted... just would be nice if there were an "appeal process" to this function, especially if there is zero inside a message that was reported, and/or a specific plan was in place to report, confirm, and get someone "demoted" in some way, just by grief-ing the Vulgar button at one particular person they didn't like..

[Noone you know]

I would say you just got unlucky.

"make an ass of oneself" is certainly within the realm of words used by the nobility of this game, and I think real-life nobility as well.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ass

[GundamMerc]

Eh, slippery slope there. More often than not people are NOT referring to a donkey, and the image most people get is the term when used in reference to a butt. So these days, people referring to someone as an "ass" or a "jackass" are not comparing to a donkey, but your butt.

[JDodger]

oh no he called the guy a butt

[Noone you know]

oh no he called the guy a butt

that's the point - he didn't. the term wasn't vulgar until more modern times. but most players aren't going to go look that stuff up; better to just steer clear, since you know "bad words" are something that at least one of your realm mates doesn't think is appropriate.

[Anaris]

that's the point - he didn't. the term wasn't vulgar until more modern times. but most players aren't going to go look that stuff up; better to just steer clear, since you know "bad words" are something that at least one of your realm mates doesn't think is appropriate.

I'm sorry, but "arse" has been a term for a person's rear end since Anglo-Saxon times, and what with spelling not being standardized till the last few centuries, there's little enough to choose between the words.

Calling "ass" vulgar is perfectly reasonable.