Really Eponlynn?

[GundamMerc]

Really? The situation would have been very good to have a go at trying to gain revenge on Perdan, but instead you choose the easy path of helping Sirion...

[JeVondair]

Actually, I was a little caught by surprise as well. The declaration came out of no where, with no explanation offered...

again.

Is this a habit with Eastern Rulers?

[Victor C]

People jumping into wars that they have no business in? GOSH DARNIT CALIGUS! Oh wait... ?

I'm interested in seeing their reasoning...

[Gabanus family]

Actually, I was a little caught by surprise as well. The declaration came out of no where, with no explanation offered...

again.

Is this a habit with Eastern Rulers?

Really unfortunate that I have little time to play these days. But this is fittingly representative for the north I'm afraid and why we broke off with Oligarch in the first place. I can't say I'm much surprised tbh.

Under Garin Eponllyn would have never done this, but Eponllyn is no longer Eponllyn really.

[JeVondair]

This DOES seem to be the post to discuss what Eponlynn has become...

[Vita`]

Well, considering Perdan's destroyed Eponllyn in several wars, is a complete powerhouse right on their border, and Eponllyn is a bit player now, I doubt they feel too suicidal. And considering that Garas/Oligarch left Eponllyn out to dry with Perdan out of greed for Krimml, when Sirion was cooperative with uniting with Oligarch/Eponllyn/Nivemus against Perdan. I'm not surprised if Eponllyn has decided returning the favor to Oligarch is a better target than being raped by Perdan all over again.

[Chamberlain]

You all got it wrong... you see it is because Eponllyn doesn't like having a realm run as a tyranny next door...

Sirion have tried to get anyone and everyone into this war on their side since day three, (on day one and two they were winning so thought they could go alone!)

Eponllyn is unrecogniseable lately tbh.  Its sad to think they managed to relocate and grow but have now fallen to the state where they feel they need to become just another part of Sirion's northern block. It isn't a surprising situation, they have had hard times, but I am genuinely sad to see one of the few 'old' realms I would have described as politically fairly independent now sitting in a situation where they feel unable to be so any more.

[Blue Star]

When did realms have to have a legit excuse to war one another?

All you have to state is "Me want more land, You give me more land or else..." War commences for land grab.

I don't understand, I mean we use to war sometimes just to war and see who had better strategies or more active players. Battlegroups were much more competitive than they are now.

[GundamMerc]

When did realms have to have a legit excuse to war one another?

All you have to state is "Me want more land, You give me more land or else..." War commences for land grab.

I don't understand, I mean we use to war sometimes just to war and see who had better strategies or more active players. Battlegroups were much more competitive than they are now.

Hey Blue Star, you realize that what you're saying is irrelevant, yes?

[Vita`]

Well, Eponllyn was crippled by Perdan's bait-and-switch 'we only want passage rights' war. How Eponllyn was treated by Perdan and Vix really broke Eponllyn's morale/spirit within the realm and exposed their hypocrisy on limited conflicts and smaller realms. And being independent when your survival is on the line with a neighbour like Perdan is suicide. Whether it was Eponllyn's war-intent or not, Oligarch did this to itself by not accepting the ceasefire with Sirion and standing up for Eponllyn against Perdan. First they came for the socialists, then they came for the unions, then they came for the jews, and when they come for you, there is no one left to stand with you because you did not stand for them. Such is where Oligarch has found itself.

[Ketchum]

Really? The situation would have been very good to have a go at trying to gain revenge on Perdan, but instead you choose the easy path of helping Sirion...

Most of us want a "suicidal thought" Eponllyn to keep war Perdan till end of time? ???

Eponllyn is rethinking their "suicidal" thoughts of keep warring Perdan when they could not even touch Perdan, okay what should I say here? Touch Perdan's hair? Even when Eponllyn had Nivemus, they both are no match for Perdan army, nevermind Vix. Why you want pick on someone bigger size/stronger than you when you can pick on someone of almost similar size as you? ::)

Well, considering Perdan's destroyed Eponllyn in several wars, is a complete powerhouse right on their border, and Eponllyn is a bit player now, I doubt they feel too suicidal. And considering that Garas/Oligarch left Eponllyn out to dry with Perdan out of greed for Krimml, when Sirion was cooperative with uniting with Oligarch/Eponllyn/Nivemus against Perdan. I'm not surprised if Eponllyn has decided returning the favor to Oligarch is a better target than being raped by Perdan all over again.

What Vita says practically sum it all up ;)

Chamberlain, Brock already helped Catherine explained to her as much as he could.

When did realms have to have a legit excuse to war one another?

All you have to state is "Me want more land, You give me more land or else..." War commences for land grab.

I don't understand, I mean we use to war sometimes just to war and see who had better strategies or more active players. Battlegroups were much more competitive than they are now.

Yes, I hope it was easy to mention why war. Better strategies it is then. Sometimes the stories vary, depend on which sides you from.

[GundamMerc]

Well, Eponllyn was crippled by Perdan's bait-and-switch 'we only want passage rights' war. How Eponllyn was treated by Perdan and Vix really broke Eponllyn's morale/spirit within the realm and exposed their hypocrisy on limited conflicts and smaller realms. And being independent when your survival is on the line with a neighbour like Perdan is suicide. Whether it was Eponllyn's war-intent or not, Oligarch did this to itself by not accepting the ceasefire with Sirion and standing up for Eponllyn against Perdan. First they came for the socialists, then they came for the unions, then they came for the jews, and when they come for you, there is no one left to stand with you because you did not stand for them. Such is where Oligarch has found itself.

The issue is that Oligarch was holding its own, and Eponllyn has more reason to hate Sirion (who abandoned them to the Perdanese, which is odd since Perdan is Sirion's sole remaining mortal enemy) than Oligarch. Not to mention Perdan is busy fighting Xavax. Had Eponllyn joined that war instead, it would have become more balanced.

[Ketchum]

The issue is that Oligarch was holding its own, and Eponllyn has more reason to hate Sirion (who abandoned them to the Perdanese, which is odd since Perdan is Sirion's sole remaining mortal enemy) than Oligarch. Not to mention Perdan is busy fighting Xavax. Had Eponllyn joined that war instead, it would have become more balanced.

Yay, balanced war... Without giving too much things away, I will be brief. If you notice Eponllyn Recruitment Centers and its current realm land size, do you think they can even break Perdan militia on its own? War also depend on resources. That again bring me back to my early question: Do we wish for "suicidal" Eponllyn to war Perdan?

Also your question above can only be answered by someone from Eponllyn, for only they know what they think. You think they hate Sirion, but it could be the other way round. Now enough giveaways already, let get on with the war.

[Vita`]

It was actually Oligarch who abandoned Eponllyn to the Perdanese, not Sirion.

What I wrote before about not standing for others ending up with no one standing for yourself. My character advocated Xavax/Fallangard to take more of a stand for Fallangard's ally and balanced that war, warning them they'd be next for Perdan, but they did not. So Eponllyn was not going to sit around being Perdan's punching bag waiting for someone to balance their war and Perdan was able to wrap things up nicely to head towards Xavax/Fallangard, who now want Eponllyn's assistance balancing the war they just exited being torn apart and don't wish for an iota more.

[Chamberlain]

Eponllyn would seal their end if they came against Perdan again.  I have little doubt there is a plan to gift Eponllyn something bigger and better than they currently have by their current actions and what I say is not to criticise but a genuine sense of sadness that things have changed so badly for a realm I always admired.

As to who is to blame for helping or not helping Eponllyn, that will forever be a matter of opinion that only a few people will actually know the full truth of, it is what it is at the end of the day.

We survived Sirions first attempts at gang banging, lets hope we can survive the next.