Fame: points in the beginning of a family?

[Danlawer]

I did an interesting discovery recently... I played BM from 2006 till 2010, quit, but started playing again yesterday. In less then 2 days, I managed to get 4 fame points, and that for a new family. Because I only played 2 days, it is very easy to track down what I did... I can place 2 fame points:

1= Gaining 10 prestige by one character
1= Gaining 20 family prestige

2 points I'm unaware of. I checked the wiki and can rule out the following: council positions, lord positions, religion, unique items, deaths, events. Actually, from all the known fame points, I only fulfill 2 of them. That means that I've done something in these past two days which makes I got 2 fame points.

To summarize what I did in those two days:

- created a family member A in the Far East
- created a second family member B in the Far East but in a different realm
- retired family member A after one day (wrong realm)
- created a third family member C in the Far East, in the same realm as member B
- created two inexperienced new characters
- participate with B in 3 battles in the same city in 3 turns (following after each other)
- received and spend 300 gold on recruitment with B
- recruited +/- 50 men with B
- recruited scouts, banners and healers
- joined a religion
- become a knight with B of a city
- joined an army
- wounded an enemy lord with character C: Ceneric Godwin, Count of Rrerat has been wounded by Sartan's Wrath (29).;
- wounded an enemy noble with character B: Rigitamos Brythonic (Knight of Rrerat, Arcachon) has been wounded by Sartan's Guard (28).
- wounded two enemy nobles with two different family members in one battle
- got B and C wounded in one battle
- got wounded in a battle, unit fights on and does not retreat and wins battle
- made scout reports
- gained your first fame point
- create a new family

I bet my money on the wounding of an enemy noble, gaining your first fame point or retiring a character after one day. The last statement could be, as you can find more new families with some fame points which retired a character after day one.

Also the idea to hide fame points in the beginning of a game makes sense: which new player is occupied with fame points? None of them, as they are all finding out how the game works. Which experienced player still remembers what he did in the beginning of his career? Also none of them. It would be even clever to hide unknown fame points in the beginning of a family career.

Any ideas on these statements?

[Stue (DC)]

when i hear such stories, most of time i  cannot help myself but to be bitterly sarcastic, so i apologize in advance, my following statements are not any sort of personal attacks, but my vocal appeal against processes that severely degrade game in my opinion.

the course of events you described seems to be ultimately unnatural - you are likely ooc invited to some specific realm, you already ooc explained that you are old player who knows the ropes,  so suddenly you ended with 300 gold, money that many diligent players do not see for years, you are given trust and confidence though nobody could know your green and unproved char at all, so there is no any rp-ing background, and all that happens on continent that was proud to call herself rp-ing continent once.

if only two or three similar cases happened in about similar time, that could decide on some very important battles, or even affect the whole course of some war, and all those players who play their chars in-game are the ones who cannot compete against advantage achieved that way.

example you describe is good illustration why I proposed random placement of chars on continents once.

and reaching fame points that way is not impressive - imagine nice ooc group who perpetuated most of council positions and ducal position over period of few months, so all, or most of them achieved 6 fame points that way...

i believe no titans, magistrate, or regular police force can deal with that, the only hope is that players accept rules of fair play even at cost of losing sometimes. and vast majority of players certainly accept that, otherwise everything would collapse... :o

[Danlawer]

the course of events you described seems to be ultimately unnatural - you are likely ooc invited to some specific realm, you already ooc explained that you are old player who knows the ropes,  so suddenly you ended with 300 gold, money that many diligent players do not see for years, you are given trust and confidence though nobody could know your green and unproved char at all, so there is no any rp-ing background, and all that happens on continent that was proud to call herself rp-ing continent once.

Indeed a bit skeptical, but your full right to do so. From my point of view, however, a bit misplaced... The things you read and interpret, change from what really happened. Yes, I played the game in the past, no, I did not mentioned it in game. The gold was handed to me as I was in the capital, which was under siege, and only 4 others were there to defend it. Many other received packages of 100 gold, as I did, spread over three turns. Nothing strange to report here.

I posted this post to discuss unknown fame points, as it proved to be an interesting topic of discussion in the past. I have, in no way, the need to hoard or gather fame points.

[Indirik]

The gold was handed to me as I was in the capital, which was under siege, and only 4 others were there to defend it.

Ahh... The defense of Ozrat. Yeah, the duke was not in the city when the attack was launched. The the duke got captured and lost his duchy. And the Arcachonians were storming in. I'd imagine anyone in the city would have been able to get almost as much gold as they could possibly use. Quite the epic defense of the capital, I'd say. Too bad we won. :( :P

[Danlawer]

It was indeed the defense of Ozrat ;-) We indeed won because many were generous with gold... That was at least one reason.

[egamma]

Things that won't generate fame, because they are either too easy or involve OOC actions:

- created a family member A in the Far East
- created a second family member B in the Far East but in a different realm
- retired family member A after one day (wrong realm)
- created a third family member C in the Far East, in the same realm as member B
- created two inexperienced new characters
- recruited scouts, banners and healers
- joined a religion
- become a knight with B of a city
- joined an army
- made scout reports
- gained your first fame point
- create a new family

Things I find most likely:
- participate with B in 3 battles in the same city in 3 turns (following after each other)
- became 25th or 50th member of the religion

things I find unlikely:

- participate with B in 3 battles in the same city in 3 turns (following after each other)
- received and spend 300 gold on recruitment with B
- recruited +/- 50 men with B
- wounded an enemy lord with character C: Ceneric Godwin, Count of Rrerat has been wounded by Sartan's Wrath (29).;
- wounded an enemy noble with character B: Rigitamos Brythonic (Knight of Rrerat, Arcachon) has been wounded by Sartan's Guard (28).
- wounded two enemy nobles with two different family members in one battle
- got B and C wounded in one battle
- got wounded in a battle, unit fights on and does not retreat and wins battle

[Vellos]

I finding wounding an enemy lord quite a compelling one.

Heck, it even goes in the continent-wide battle report sometimes. That's real fame.

[Danlawer]

I think that one makes indeed the best chance as a possible fame point... :-)

[Bedwyr]

Aye, it's been hinted at before by the coders that things that show up on continent-wide battle reports may well have something to do with fame for the obvious reasons.  I can't say more than that, because the fame code is one section I resolutely refuse to look at.  I am too much the fame whore to resist if I knew.

[Vellos]

Well, it sounds like a very productive place to look for points.

[Danlawer]

Hmm... very strange... while I had 4 fame points, I now only have 2... :S so my points decreased... Very strange!

[Shizzle]

Hmm... very strange... while I had 4 fame points, I now only have 2... :S so my points decreased... Very strange!

Lightning bolted or bug?

[Danlawer]

Lightning bolted or bug?

Non of them that I'm aware of... Haven't been struck by lighting and never got an error message. But still, I guess a bug is an option :-)

[Shizzle]

omfg. I just rickrolled myself  ;D ;D

[Huntsmaster]

Hmm... very strange... while I had 4 fame points, I now only have 2... :S so my points decreased... Very strange!

I had 6 and now have 4. There's nothing I can think of over the last week that's changed that should affect it. Must be some sort of bug- which makes sense, as I was similarly puzzled by the appearance of those 2 points last week.