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Title: When will BT sink?
Post by: daviceroy on July 27, 2016, 09:15:11 PM
BT is a failing continent overrun and controlled by the Netherworld.  The Netherworld controls over half the regions, has more CS than all the player regions combined (even the two realms that kiss the netherworld's nether), and pretty much ensures that none of the realms can grow unless you kiss their butts.

It's a failed continent.  There is no apparent end to the invasion.  Everytime we do something that we are led to, another problem arises and it's withered away.  The "Daimons" just enforce their will no matter what players try to do.  It's futile.

What can players really do when they can't even match the Daimons anymore?  You start with a 1:1 fight and every day the Daimons grow stronger and we can't recruit due to lack of gold and resources from not being able to grow.  The Daimons take over regions at 3 times the speed we do partly due to their numbers.  If we gain a region, they just take another away at their whim.  They can teleport anywhere without warning.  Hordes of Daimons run rampaint just to force us to stay secluded.

What's the point of BT now?  Pretty much, we must subject ourselves to the will of the Daimons or be broken down.  In the latest episode of this, we were told we could not even have walls over 3 in our city or else they'd break it down.  If the admins don't want us to have fortifications over 3, then please just change the code.  Don't enforce it this way.  It's disheartening.

Right now, player interaction is being killed by this.  The realms can no longer even cooperate as we can't reach each other without getting slaughtered either at home or in transit.  We are all just surviving and barely even doing that.  What fun is there in not being allowed to make any progress?  What fun is there in just always having new "Daimonic" demands enforced upon us because we simply can't beat their recruiting ability?  If we could recruit and heal like them, we might have some chance at just staying around.  Give the players the strength in numbers like the Daimons and we would have taken over the continent already.
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Anaris on July 27, 2016, 09:26:51 PM
There is no plan to sink BT. So far as I am aware, many people are still enjoying the invasion.

The Netherworld controlling over half the regions is actually a good thing, for a very important reason: If the players controlled those regions, there would be just about enough for every single character to be a Lord. As it stands, the ratio of characters to player-controlled regions on BT is the best in the game.

As for what "the admins want," I still can't wrap my mind around the idea some players seem to have that the Daimons are somehow an arm of our will, and we "want" them to win—that wiping humanity out or subjugating it as fast as possible was actually a goal.

If we wanted the Daimons to rule Beluaterra, we'd just delete your troops. Or set the realm of every region on the continent to Netherworld. Or spawn 100k Daimons in every region. Because we are the admins, we have complete control over the database, and we can literally do anything that the code of the game supports—and even make it support new things if that's what we want.

We actually don't want the Daimons to win. We want the players to have fun. And Beluaterra has always been about struggling against inhuman forces and impossible odds to survive.

If you don't like holding the line against a force you know you can't realistically beat...then Beluaterra might not be for you. And that's OK.

But, um...while I implore you not to think of Daimons' demands as being representative of admin desires, you might want to think a little more about why the Daimons might demand certain things, from an in-character perspective.

Maybe they're demanding that you do things that will leave you unable to effectively hold against them? Maybe they're trying to draw your attention away from something else they're doing?
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Victor C on July 27, 2016, 11:26:40 PM
BT is meant to be a struggle, that is what it is. In fact, your odds are WAY better than when the mist hit. LITERAL DESTRUCTION that NEVER ended. Watching the map slowly get swallowed.

It is obviously not impossible to beat the Daimons, adventurers have already killed them for you... I actually casted a healing spell and was imprisoned and had it taken away (REALLY MOTIVATES ME TO HELP!  ;D). Probably spark some interaction between your fellow players and enjoy roleplaying as a character fighting against the odds and maybe you'll see why we all like it. If you don't get any interaction, join someone else, because obviously they don't want your help. (A ruler's goal is now to have as many people on their side to defend and attack, if they just let you be bored... That's like torture).

Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: daviceroy on July 28, 2016, 12:56:58 AM
I haven't really heard anyone say they enjoy the invasion anymore other than victor's post.  Most people I've talked with say that it's pointless.  You gain a region, they take it back and then do even more damage.  There's no way to even recouperate from your losses.  I'll give you an example.  Aletha in Creasur has now sqashed the region and torn down the fortifications.  The daimon said that if we try to do rebuild our walls, she'll destroy it down even further plus kill off RC's.  We have no ability to stop her from doing her threat.  Our choice is as follows:

1) Never rebuild it and give up everything we fought for
2) Rebuilt it just to have Aletha tear it down plus a RC

We can't stop them.  It's impossible.  If every single player controlled unit worked together (which will never happen), they'd still not be able to defeat the Netherworld.  They can just recruit and reheal and be twice or 3 times stronger the next turn.  If you check the stats, you see the CS of the realms have fallen quite a bit, but the Daimons seem to only increase.  In the last couple months, it's gone down by a third.

It's true that the controlled regions to player may be best in the game.  However, the money strain from it is causing it where we have to rely on family wealth to even pay units quite often.  With all the various takeovers etc, we don't get gold that way sometimes either.  So, it's creating a vicious cycle of not enough money to recruit and beat downs by an enemy who can seemily always recruit.

As far as why we see that as what you allow is that GM's are the responsibility of admins.  What you allow them to do is your will.  If they did something damaging to what you view as good to the game you would stop them from being a GM.

What's the difference between 100k Daimons in every region and 6k Daimons when we can't get get 6k Humans to come to the fight?  It's not a lack of desire on my part.  After one round, we are severly defeated, the Daimons regroup and get stronger.

Yes, the admins/GM's can do anything they want irregardless of the code.  They have the deck stacked in their favor and laugh at the players who try to follow the game code and win.  It almost reminds me of us being ants and the admin/GM being a kid with a magnifying glass.  "You can beat us... just take it away from us.  You can do it.  I know you can't realistically, but keep trying".  There's nothing to draw us away from as we can't really leave our regions much anymore.  There's little we can do but wait for the next onslaught.  This isn't a matter of just fighting the good fight.  There's no tangible end game and no end to the invasion.  The netherworld has won.  It's taken over and no is playing with the other realms like a kid poking a dying sea creature on the shore.  If we get too close to getting back in the water, we get poked back towards the sand.

BT is meant to be a struggle, that is what it is. In fact, your odds are WAY better than when the mist hit. LITERAL DESTRUCTION that NEVER ended. Watching the map slowly get swallowed.

Actually, that's what it is right now.  The map has been swallowed up.  Every realm who has opposed the Daimons has been shrunk majorly.  The only way to win, actually, is not to play or just give in to the Daimons.  Then, your realm can grow.

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It is obviously not impossible to beat the Daimons, adventurers have already killed them for you.

That would be true if they would stay dead, but they don't.  I enjoyed the epic battle to kill Jactosh against all odds.  But after his death, he rose again.  All the resources and attempts to end it just mean nothing.  It's hard to have a sense of achievement when nothing has visibly changed.

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Probably spark some interaction between your fellow players and enjoy roleplaying as a character fighting against the odds and maybe you'll see why we all like it. If you don't get any interaction, join someone else, because obviously they don't want your help. (A ruler's goal is now to have as many people on their side to defend and attack, if they just let you be bored... That's like torture).

We've tried, but people are tied of role-playing getting defeated every time.  It's the same story over and over again.  Ask anyone who has been around my character and they can tell you we stand in defiance.  They are begging to expand and we keep trying so we can survive better.  But I see people giving up on Rping the same defeat.  Players going more and more into just 5 minute players.

I guess if Anaris thinks everything is okay in BT and this is the way it's supposed to be, then so be it.  I'll accept it if that's what he feels.  Is this true?
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Victor C on July 28, 2016, 01:11:26 AM
I haven't really heard anyone say they enjoy the invasion anymore other than victor's post.  Most people I've talked with say that it's pointless.  You gain a region, they take it back and then do even more damage.  There's no way to even recouperate from your losses.  I'll give you an example.  Aletha in Creasur has now sqashed the region and torn down the fortifications.  The daimon said that if we try to do rebuild our walls, she'll destroy it down even further plus kill off RC's.  We have no ability to stop her from doing her threat.  Our choice is as follows:

1) Never rebuild it and give up everything we fought for
2) Rebuilt it just to have Aletha tear it down plus a RC

We can't stop them.  It's impossible.  If every single player controlled unit worked together (which will never happen), they'd still not be able to defeat the Netherworld.  They can just recruit and reheal and be twice or 3 times stronger the next turn.  If you check the stats, you see the CS of the realms have fallen quite a bit, but the Daimons seem to only increase.  In the last couple months, it's gone down by a third.

It's true that the controlled regions to player may be best in the game.  However, the money strain from it is causing it where we have to rely on family wealth to even pay units quite often.  With all the various takeovers etc, we don't get gold that way sometimes either.  So, it's creating a vicious cycle of not enough money to recruit and beat downs by an enemy who can seemily always recruit.

As far as why we see that as what you allow is that GM's are the responsibility of admins.  What you allow them to do is your will.  If they did something damaging to what you view as good to the game you would stop them from being a GM.

What's the difference between 100k Daimons in every region and 6k Daimons when we can't get get 6k Humans to come to the fight?  It's not a lack of desire on my part.  After one round, we are severly defeated, the Daimons regroup and get stronger.

Yes, the admins/GM's can do anything they want irregardless of the code.  They have the deck stacked in their favor and laugh at the players who try to follow the game code and win.  It almost reminds me of us being ants and the admin/GM being a kid with a magnifying glass.  "You can beat us... just take it away from us.  You can do it.  I know you can't realistically, but keep trying".  There's nothing to draw us away from as we can't really leave our regions much anymore.  There's little we can do but wait for the next onslaught.  This isn't a matter of just fighting the good fight.  There's no tangible end game and no end to the invasion.  The netherworld has won.  It's taken over and no is playing with the other realms like a kid poking a dying sea creature on the shore.  If we get too close to getting back in the water, we get poked back towards the sand.

Actually, that's what it is right now.  The map has been swallowed up.  Every realm who has opposed the Daimons has been shrunk majorly.  The only way to win, actually, is not to play or just give in to the Daimons.  Then, your realm can grow.

That would be true if they would stay dead, but they don't.  I enjoyed the epic battle to kill Jactosh against all odds.  But after his death, he rose again.  All the resources and attempts to end it just mean nothing.  It's hard to have a sense of achievement when nothing has visibly changed.

We've tried, but people are tied of role-playing getting defeated every time.  It's the same story over and over again.  Ask anyone who has been around my character and they can tell you we stand in defiance.  They are begging to expand and we keep trying so we can survive better.  But I see people giving up on Rping the same defeat.  Players going more and more into just 5 minute players.

I guess if Anaris thinks everything is okay in BT and this is the way it's supposed to be, then so be it.  I'll accept it if that's what he feels.  Is this true?

Apparently you have not been paying attention... All the portals are CLOSED. The Daimons ARE dying. Have you not figured it out?

ADVENTURERS

They have killed the Daimons and you've only said "This sucks, there's no way we can win!"

My friend,

THE SOLUTION IS LITERALLY STARING AT YOU.

Daimons are hunting for ADVENTURERS, the ones who have made significant impacts are ADVENTURERS.

I apologize if I seem a bit "LOOK AT THIS" it's just... I've noticed this for a while and I seem to be in the minority.

When a portal stone opens, guess who runs to it and tries to stop it? DAIMONS.

I can't make it more clear...
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: daviceroy on July 28, 2016, 01:24:33 AM
Maybe we aren't playing on the same island or something, because the Daimons don't appear to be dying at all.  Jactosh is alive, Akkan is alive, Aletha is alive.  These have been alive.  They don't appear any weaker to any reports I've seen.  They still show up in huge CS groups.  Please, please provide me with any proof of this!  I'd love to be able to see this.  I've begged and pleaded for some sign that it wasn't hopeless.  Every Scribe Report I've seen verifies this point of view.  Do you have any evidence they are weaker?  If so, please tell me.  I want to believe as a player that this isn't pointless.

Last I heard a new portal was opened after Xinjin and Ruffalo closed.  (My adventurer was one that tried to help in that).  I never heard any reports of the new one being closed.

What adventurer has ever killed a Daimon?  The only Daimons I heard killed were by the hand of nobles.

As far as Daimons hunting adventurers, they must be doing a very poor job at it.  They are imprisoning and doing damage mostly to nobles.  My adventurer was unharmed even going through Netherworld controlled areas passing by the Daimons themsevles while my noble has been imprisoned and tortured for being in their own realm.

So, your explanation doesn't seem to hold up with the facts that are visible from here.  I'd be happy to see some other facts even from just an OOC side.
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Ketchum on July 28, 2016, 03:02:29 AM
What adventurer has ever killed a Daimon?  The only Daimons I heard killed were by the hand of nobles.
I do not know of any adventurer killed a Daimon. I only know of adventurers closing portal like the one Roleplay link below.

http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,7127.0.html (http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,7127.0.html)

Some background on my playing experience before I comment further.

As a first timer player on Belu, I have 1 noble and 1 adventurer there currently and still alive. Previously I started with only 1 adventurer who was killed by undead almost not too long, I think just a few months :'( Then I quit and not play for awhile before I tried again with 1 noble, then add 1 adventurer there.

What my noble see, is what I feel same like daviceroy here. It is like hopeless, end of the world, not a chance, against all odds, all these words. But then if we add my adventurer point of view, I feel there is a chance. Maybe not all adventurers receive same amount of information IC. I think the Daimon or rather "Admins" do leave clues however hopeless and impossible odd our tasks maybe. We need start share information ::)
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Vita` on July 28, 2016, 04:24:37 AM
I can't understate how important sharing information is.
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Anaris on July 28, 2016, 04:27:50 AM
I can't underoverstate how important sharing information is.

T,FTFY

;D
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: GundamMerc on July 28, 2016, 05:36:56 AM
Apparently you didn't get the same roleplay we did that occurred to Domina when the main portal was closed.
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Gabanus family on July 28, 2016, 09:29:25 AM
Wasn't Jacktosh uber wounded or something by Daisha and now had to be finished off by another religion or something?

*Admits to play his noble on BT like a mindless zombie*
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: GundamMerc on July 28, 2016, 03:07:54 PM
Wasn't Jacktosh uber wounded or something by Daisha and now had to be finished off by another religion or something?

*Admits to play his noble on BT like a mindless zombie*

I think it might have even been peasants after he had been left vulnerable...
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Vita` on July 28, 2016, 03:31:15 PM
Jactosh was roleplayed as being half-killed by one of two daimonically-corrupted religious items being sacrificed with portal stones and the intense prayers of that religion. Now he's roleplayed in constant, debilitating pain until the second item is sacrified with portal stones and intense prayers. Every breath he takes, is a wasp sting upon his nostril, every step he takes, is a nail through his foot, every move he makes is an explosion in his dermis, every single day and every word he is grates him like cheese, et cetera.

Mechanically, in the day or two before the above event, he was also physically wounded by Yao Ling, which was done after he was travelling into Reeds, so he got seriously wounded stuck in Reeds. Rather backfired on Nothoi. And then they stole his hours after he healed when he tried to leave, so he got pulled back into Reeds.

I had suggested someone post the roleplays on the forum like with the first temple closure, but I don't think it happened.

And again, I emphasize using the existing religions, guilds, and message channels to share information. And yes, I cannot overstate it.
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Sacha on July 28, 2016, 10:39:14 PM
So even though after all the past invasions, we are still banking on people sharing infrmation... ::)
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Vita` on July 28, 2016, 10:41:23 PM
So even though after all the past invasions, we are still banking on people sharing infrmation... ::)
Well, its the same as when not in an Invasion. At all times, Invasion and not, share information. This is a game based on text-interaction. Which doesn't happen when you don't share information. It's like complaining about your feet hurting while you shoot them off.
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: GundamMerc on July 28, 2016, 11:33:57 PM
Well, its the same as when not in an Invasion. At all times, Invasion and not, share information. This is a game based on text-interaction. Which doesn't happen when you don't share information. It's like complaining about your feet hurting while you shoot them off.

A better analogy is "complaining that it hurts running into a wall after blindfolding yourself". Your analogy just involved hurting yourself, while mine involves hurting yourself because you took away one of your own senses. Gotta make sure your analogies are properly parallel.
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: JeVondair on July 29, 2016, 01:03:11 AM
It's an invasion. by DEMONS. It's supposed to feel hopeless, apocalyptic even. And it's meant to be that way for IG years. Nations are supposed to die, religions are supposed to falter, the dead will walk and mankind will fear the night. All we're really missing is fire raining from the sky.

Without unity, there can be no Victory against the darkness. You are hear to endure it, pray for salvation and wait for it to come.

Enjoy the grimdark, my friends.

Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Constantine on July 29, 2016, 03:08:42 AM
"I'm not enjoying playing on this continent so please close it and make it so no one could play on it."
Please don't create threads like that. There are other continents with more traditional gameplay. Don't lile BT? Emigrate.
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: JDodger on July 29, 2016, 04:01:33 AM
getting your 11k cs army wiped out in two rounds by a 9k cs daimon cav unit isn't fun.

sitting around in the capital for a week straight whittling down 1500 ravening daimons isnt fun.

the problem with bt isnt that its a challenge, its that its a grinding, repetitive, boring impossible challenge that doesnt test player skill so much as player tolerance.
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Anaris on July 29, 2016, 04:06:46 AM
It tests different skills than other continents. That doesn't mean that skill isn't involved.

It's like saying that because chess doesn't require any horsemanship, it doesn't require skill.
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: daviceroy on July 29, 2016, 05:26:58 AM
Quote from: Vita
I emphasize using the existing religions, guilds, and message channels to share information

I think this is part of the joke.  The problem I've seen has nothing to do with sharing information.  There has been plenty of it.  I've seen battle reports in various areas.  Seen how the Daimons win and lose.  Yet it doesn't change anything.  In a matter of fact, if you post something to other people, the GM's take that information and use it to their advantage.  I've seen it tested several times.  It's what thwarts a number of player's attempts.  I even decided to test to see if that's what's being done.  I made an IC message to the army about how the Daimon hadn't started a takeover yet.  In what appears to be the next login, the GM started it.  You say we should share information and yet players are punished anytime they try to work together towards it with GM's reading messages and knowing what they need to do to stop it.  I've heard players deciding they had to act outside of the server to have a shot which is against the whole point of our game.

Quote from: JeVondair
Without unity, there can be no Victory against the darkness.

Even with unity, there is no Victory against the Darkness.  Otherwise, the Netherworld would have been shrinking not increasing in size.

Quote from: Constantine
There are other continents with more traditional gameplay. Don't lile BT? Emigrate.

I've played on the other continents and even enjoy some of them.  My favorite continent was sunk though which was disappointing.  But part of the reasons people complained about that continent is the same thing that's happening on BT from my perspective.  So, it was a logical question given that the admins sunk that continent.  On that continent, at least working together got you somewhere.

I also want to point out that the "Emigrate if you don't like it" attitude hurts Battlemaster.  Players bring up their concerns and problems that they see and rather than attempt to address issues just tell them to go away.  That's what they do.  Go away from BattleMaster entirely.  It's why this game has been slowly losing people.

Quote from: Anaris
It tests different skills than other continents. That doesn't mean that skill isn't involved.

The only "skill" that I can see is required in BT is patience.  As long as you are willing to take whatever and not care about the state of a realm, then you can survive to the end.  I'll just give an example from what I can see.  After 17 days worth of being besieged, we were patient enough to "survive" because the Daimon finally left.  No skill resulted in any benefit to us other than simply waiting for the Daimon to leave.  The longer they stayed the worse our situation got and the stronger the daimons got in comparison to us.

I should take that back... buttkissing with the Daimons also seem to work too, but that's no fun either.  Am I missing something?  Is there a noble skill there that we have that helps in BT?

My frustration is this.  It's getting harder and harder to keep people interested in staying in one place because we can't leave without getting our forces wiped out.  People don't want to bother being in the council positions even after begging because what's the point?  It doesn't help anything.  You can't expand.  You can't fight other realms who aren't yes men to the Netherworld.  It's getting to the point where it's a chore to log in and see what miracle I have to try to do just to keep the realm alive.  That's not even talking about making a realm prosper.  If BT is about this, then you are right that it's not for me.  But that's the question I have.  Is that how the admins feel BM is supposed to be?  If not, then let's try to come to a solution to help resolve this.
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Victor C on July 29, 2016, 10:25:56 AM
I think this is part of the joke.  The problem I've seen has nothing to do with sharing information.  There has been plenty of it.  I've seen battle reports in various areas.  Seen how the Daimons win and lose.  Yet it doesn't change anything.  In a matter of fact, if you post something to other people, the GM's take that information and use it to their advantage.  I've seen it tested several times.  It's what thwarts a number of player's attempts.  I even decided to test to see if that's what's being done.  I made an IC message to the army about how the Daimon hadn't started a takeover yet.  In what appears to be the next login, the GM started it.  You say we should share information and yet players are punished anytime they try to work together towards it with GM's reading messages and knowing what they need to do to stop it.  I've heard players deciding they had to act outside of the server to have a shot which is against the whole point of our game.

Even with unity, there is no Victory against the Darkness.  Otherwise, the Netherworld would have been shrinking not increasing in size.

I've played on the other continents and even enjoy some of them.  My favorite continent was sunk though which was disappointing.  But part of the reasons people complained about that continent is the same thing that's happening on BT from my perspective.  So, it was a logical question given that the admins sunk that continent.  On that continent, at least working together got you somewhere.

I also want to point out that the "Emigrate if you don't like it" attitude hurts Battlemaster.  Players bring up their concerns and problems that they see and rather than attempt to address issues just tell them to go away.  That's what they do.  Go away from BattleMaster entirely.  It's why this game has been slowly losing people.

The only "skill" that I can see is required in BT is patience.  As long as you are willing to take whatever and not care about the state of a realm, then you can survive to the end.  I'll just give an example from what I can see.  After 17 days worth of being besieged, we were patient enough to "survive" because the Daimon finally left.  No skill resulted in any benefit to us other than simply waiting for the Daimon to leave.  The longer they stayed the worse our situation got and the stronger the daimons got in comparison to us.

I should take that back... buttkissing with the Daimons also seem to work too, but that's no fun either.  Am I missing something?  Is there a noble skill there that we have that helps in BT?

My frustration is this.  It's getting harder and harder to keep people interested in staying in one place because we can't leave without getting our forces wiped out.  People don't want to bother being in the council positions even after begging because what's the point?  It doesn't help anything.  You can't expand.  You can't fight other realms who aren't yes men to the Netherworld.  It's getting to the point where it's a chore to log in and see what miracle I have to try to do just to keep the realm alive.  That's not even talking about making a realm prosper.  If BT is about this, then you are right that it's not for me.  But that's the question I have.  Is that how the admins feel BM is supposed to be?  If not, then let's try to come to a solution to help resolve this.

It hurts to see your lack of enjoyment. Simply the fact is that BT is meant to be very hard. Sharing information does not mean stating a takeover has started... It means sharing all the clues that the Daimons are handing out, it is keeping on constant contact with other realms, it is sharing everything you knoe. Your job is to figure out what you need to. You are most likely going to say "The Daimons will not let that happen!" Then don't let the Daimons see your words if that's how you feel. If you were faking being dead and the gun man walks by you, would you sit up and say "Ha Ha! Fooled you!"

Unfortunately, BT isn't like the other islands. You're trying to solve a puzzle and from what I can see, humanity hasn't done a good job of putting the pieces together.


I agree that Constantine's message was uncalled for... You're upset and you're trying to express your concern because you're frustrated and simply tired of always losing.

If you feel abuse is happening, report it or ask. The GMs are not controlling all the Daimons, some are other regular players.

Before humanity can move forward, it needs to collect itself as best it can... For a puzzle cannot begin to be solved if the pieces haven't been gathered first. As far as I know, everyone is being reclusive, that needs to change if you ever want anything good to happen. Do not tell me you've tried, because that means you've stopped trying and that will never solve your problems.

To put it simply:


Humanity needs to learn from its mistakes and grow instead of watching itself get chewed up by repeating the same steps. Stop keeping secrets from your ONLY allies. This will only make winning harder.
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: jaune on July 29, 2016, 10:46:39 AM
I can understand the frustration. But i have slowly started to get a grip whats going on! (slow learner!) :D

What i think is going on with this invasion is that we really need to interact with each other, with advies, with our own nobles, with other realms.. and with those evil Daimons! Our armies obiviously cant match theirs. Not even if combined, so there must be some other way. Advies & Nobles together have already wounded the main bug... so i guess thats the route to go.

So far, if i have understood right, biggest progress has been gotten when many people participates on RP's with Daimons. Write the story! Make it good one...

Thats what i try to do next... Not sure how or what... but atleast i have now nothing to lose while trying :D

Beated my mouth enough to Jactosh and now he is knocking my city gates with huge army... i cant beat him with my armies, so i need to figure out something else.
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Anaris on July 29, 2016, 01:54:28 PM
The only "skill" that I can see is required in BT is patience.  As long as you are willing to take whatever and not care about the state of a realm, then you can survive to the end.  I'll just give an example from what I can see.  After 17 days worth of being besieged, we were patient enough to "survive" because the Daimon finally left.  No skill resulted in any benefit to us other than simply waiting for the Daimon to leave.  The longer they stayed the worse our situation got and the stronger the daimons got in comparison to us.

Your problem, then, is that you are looking at BT in the same terms as the other continents. In other words, you are expecting to find victory through pure force of arms.

Stop doing that. It won't help. :)
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Logar on July 29, 2016, 07:05:49 PM
I can understand the frustration. But i have slowly started to get a grip whats going on! (slow learner!) :D

What i think is going on with this invasion is that we really need to interact with each other, with advies, with our own nobles, with other realms.. and with those evil Daimons! Our armies obiviously cant match theirs. Not even if combined, so there must be some other way. Advies & Nobles together have already wounded the main bug... so i guess thats the route to go.

So far, if i have understood right, biggest progress has been gotten when many people participates on RP's with Daimons. Write the story! Make it good one...

Thats what i try to do next... Not sure how or what... but atleast i have now nothing to lose while trying :D

Beated my mouth enough to Jactosh and now he is knocking my city gates with huge army... i cant beat him with my armies, so i need to figure out something else.

This is in simple terms how I see it ^^^


I am rather enjoying this island. Perhaps one might say I am biased because my character is on the 'winning' side, except that I fully expect the demise of the daemons... in time. The mods have made it clear that they are not intending to win the island. There is a way to defeat them, the challenge is to find the answer.

Clearly playing the game like you would on any other island is not working. It can be seen that big armies are not going to win the war for men. People need to think outside the box.

I don't know the answer, but I know what I would be attempting to do. Without giving too much away I suggest rallying your adventurers into the war. they are the key to success, in my opinion. Be adventurous with RP's when using certain items.......
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Bronnen on July 29, 2016, 10:01:30 PM
I feel like the newest global RP that was placed is in direct response to this thread.
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Anaris on July 29, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
I feel like the newest global RP that was placed is in direct response to this thread.

In part.

Throughout the invasion (as in previous invasions), we try to monitor the situation and adjust the effectiveness of the nonhuman troops based on what seems to be needed. However, we can also be forgetful. I had been on vacation (and otherwise kind of out of it) for some time, and this thread reminded me to look into things, and prod Vita to do the same.
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Vita` on July 30, 2016, 12:34:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PirgUhdqYa0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PirgUhdqYa0)
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: Attano on July 31, 2016, 02:11:36 PM
I for one would like to see the Daimons win. It has never been done before and could open up some exciting roleplay.
Title: Re: When will BT sink?
Post by: jaune on July 31, 2016, 08:14:14 PM
https://youtu.be/gjUYE21-uI0

Quote

Warriors take the field
The battlefield of Life
You cannot run
You cannot hide

I am the keeper of the laws
Decided by the Gods

Only one of us will win
And return to fight again

I am the keeper of the laws
Decided by the Gods

Our ancestors cheer
From far beyond the grave
One will survive
Face me
Then let the Gods Decide

I've sworn an oath in blood to defend the land
And all who wish to test their steel-well here I am

I am the keeper of the laws
Decided by the Gods

Our ancestors cheer
From far beyond the grave
One will survive
Face me
Then let the Gods Decide

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