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BattleMaster => Helpline => Topic started by: Stue (DC) on November 07, 2013, 05:18:22 PM
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could someone explain to me how does it work with banker's deals, i tried to monitor reports, but it seems i missed something.
my character who is a lord gave trade access to banker.
there are reports how banker makes deals and how much he earns by selling food from my char-lord's granary, but it is not visible what region lord gets from such deals.
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My understanding is that whoever makes the sale gets the money.
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Indeed. Whoever clicks the buttons to sell food earns the bonds. The exception are automatic sell orders which goes to the region gold vaults for tax day.
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really?
i am surprised to hear that. i am wondering, what is incentive for region lord than? ok, he can be viewed as generous guy (only banker will know it), but is it too soft reward?
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really?
i am surprised to hear that. i am wondering, what is incentive for region lord than? ok, he can be viewed as generous guy (only banker will know it), but is it too soft reward?
The incentive is that he doesn't have to manage the food himself.
If the extra few gold coins he can earn in a week is worth that much to him, let him manage the food himself.
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The incentive is that he doesn't have to manage the food himself.
If the extra few gold coins he can earn in a week is worth that much to him, let him manage the food himself.
Or, if you want the best of both worlds, do a deal with the banker for x amount of gold per sale in return for allowing access to the granaries. You have to track it yourself and send gold around but completely doable.
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really?
i am surprised to hear that. i am wondering, what is incentive for region lord than? ok, he can be viewed as generous guy (only banker will know it), but is it too soft reward?
I agree. I personally don't like it because the rural regions get shafted. The cities receive more tax gold and (potentially) get free or discounted food. I tried to retain control, but in the end they guilted me into giving control to the banker. :)
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Conversely remember the Banker is putting up the gold for the buy orders as well (potentially) This whole system exist because of the amount of complaints we had about it being to hard for Lords to manage food flow through the regions. So how would we calculate "profit" and what happens when the banker is trading at a loss in order to move food around, do you want to share in that as well?
Do you want us to automatically remove gold from Lords when the banker put up buy orders, or do you guys really want to make this feature something that is nothing but a gold sink for bankers? I guess it could be made to be more like stewards and have the option for using the regions trade balance, but that has problems as well.
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Conversely remember the Banker is putting up the gold for the buy orders as well (potentially) This whole system exist because of the amount of complaints we had about it being to hard for Lords to manage food flow through the regions. So how would we calculate "profit" and what happens when the banker is trading at a loss in order to move food around, do you want to share in that as well?
Do you want us to automatically remove gold from Lords when the banker put up buy orders, or do you guys really want to make this feature something that is nothing but a gold sink for bankers? I guess it could be made to be more like stewards and have the option for using the regions trade balance, but that has problems as well.
They may be putting up the gold, but they can set the price and sell to themselves. A better way IMO would be to allow Lords to make transactions from any region.
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They may be putting up the gold, but they can set the price and sell to themselves. A better way IMO would be to allow Lords to make transactions from any region.
Then make a feature request. Banker power and where Lords can set up their trades from are not directly related. The banker powers are supposed to provide a centralised distribution system if desired, and allow Lords that just "want it to work" to offload the problem to someone else.
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Region lords can retain full autonomy, but have two options to pawn the maintenance of food on someone else. Stewards and the Bankers can make a bit more if region lords care to give up their profit. I think it is a well balanced system.
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could someone explain to me how does it work with banker's deals, i tried to monitor reports, but it seems i missed something.
my character who is a lord gave trade access to banker.
there are reports how banker makes deals and how much he earns by selling food from my char-lord's granary, but it is not visible what region lord gets from such deals.
There are a few things that can be done.
1) Your region lord character does not give trade access to banker. Make some conflict with banker, as long as you got done your part of the bargain(you got sell food yourself), then there is no reason for banker to take slice of your income. This is work hard for your own income. Otherwise if banker insists on trade access, ask the banker to give you some slice of the trade, if not further conflict.
2) Post automatic offer(above certain threshold let say 100 food bushels, sell at this AA price ), and the gold gained go back to the region coffer for your knights and yourself. Not banker.
3) You appoint a trusted Steward among your knights, who sell the food and give you some slice profit from it. This is what I do to distribute more roles to a boring-follow order knights, giving them something to do.
4) Feature request as mentioned by forum poster.
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If you don't want the banker making a profit, then don't give your banker control; just be sure that you have an auto-sell order set up.
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i would firstly like to share profit with banker.
i don't get why any rural lord would have interest to give everything to banker. no time to make deals? let food rot than. and this happens as much as i see, number of rulers and bankers frequently call lords to do something with their food, but response is low.
i don't understand how rural lords can have any meaningful profit this way...
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If profit is your focus, then don't hand control over to the banker.
If you don't want to deal with it, don't want to screw over your realm, and or don't care about profit, then you can let a steward do it, or let the banker do it. Or you can set up an auto sell order, and let it happen all by itself, but share the profit with your knights.
Or you can allow the banker to do the sales, and then demand that he send half the profits to you.
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no time to make deals? let food rot than.
This is the kind of attitude that leads to cities starving for no good reason.
Which, in turn, leads to the realm in general getting less gold, and being less able to participate in wars and other fun things.
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no time to make deals? let food rot than.
Try that in Luria.
I dare you.
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i would firstly like to share profit with banker.
Then post sell orders (auto or otherwise) and let him purchase from you, and then sell it to the cities for a profit. If you make your offer lower than what the cities are buying for, then you both profit.
Try that in Luria.
I dare you.
Yeah, or D'Hara. You think your food situation is bad? Luria has 17 rurals; D'Hara has 5.
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Yeah, or D'Hara. You think your food situation is bad? Luria has 17 rurals; D'Hara has 5.
His point isn't that the food situation is bad in Luria but that he has cracked on Hrok being the law of the land when it comes to food and !@#$ like that, isn't going to fly. I could easily imagine Hrok having the lord banned and war brought on to a realm that got the region if they weren't willing to give the region back.
In D'hara, it certainly doesn't seem the same would ever come close to happening. I blame Republicanism, damn Lords running the place and not respecting the authority they agreed to submit to. (More or less America pre-civilwar with Lords=states).
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His point isn't that the food situation is bad in Luria but that he has cracked on Hrok being the law of the land when it comes to food and !@#$ like that, isn't going to fly. I could easily imagine Hrok having the lord banned and war brought on to a realm that got the region if they weren't willing to give the region back.
In D'hara, it certainly doesn't seem the same would ever come close to happening. I blame Republicanism, damn Lords running the place and not respecting the authority they agreed to submit to. (More or less America pre-civilwar with Lords=states).
Actually, I have access to the granaries of every lord of D'Hara, and only one lord who makes a stink about me selling their food without reimbursing them.
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Actually, I have access to the granaries of every lord of D'Hara, and only one lord who makes a stink about me selling their food without reimbursing them.
That doesn't mean you cracked down on the lords, it could mean they are lax, you cracked down, or something in between. I wasn't arguing that the Lords were a pain with relation to food, simply that they can be a pain in general with listening to realm council or marshals on occasion.
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This is the kind of attitude that leads to cities starving for no good reason.
Which, in turn, leads to the realm in general getting less gold, and being less able to participate in wars and other fun things.
i don't understand whether you disagree or agree with my previous statement?
i am talking exactly about that, lords should have some incentive to make good trade deals, which would in turn help realms in overall. if lords has nothing but give up of his command of trade, what is point of trade game at all, than?
it is well known that rural lords have low income, and i believed tweaks of trade system aimed to correct that in some way. however, i don't see it in reality now. if lords see their large food amount are simply given up, while they have to beg for gold for their even basic needs, and knights run away from them, there is very little incentive to both attempt any trade and be rural lord at all.
i daresay trade system fails that way. than lords could be completely stripped of food command. shouldn't mechanics push both sides to cooperate - or wage conflicts - to move things forward?
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Then post sell orders (auto or otherwise) and let him purchase from you, and then sell it to the cities for a profit. If you make your offer lower than what the cities are buying for, then you both profit.
that rarely works. limited trade distance and other duties that occupy lords mostly leaves all offers unanswered forever. if i could trade myself, i would not engage banker.
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Try that in Luria.
I dare you.
that way, i assume, you are telling me that luria is tyranny where rural lords are pawns who just follow orders about what to do with food?!
i would even dare to say that current tweaks in mechanics somewhat failed if on the continent like dwilight, where food possibly means much more than anything else, rural lords have no any chance to become more powerful and influential.
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it is well known that rural lords have low income,
That's not really true. I would say a large disincentive to the food flow is that rural Lords don't need the gold anyway, and with the capped price of food there wouldn't be so much extra gold to be made in any case.
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i don't understand whether you disagree or agree with my previous statement?
i am talking exactly about that, lords should have some incentive to make good trade deals, which would in turn help realms in overall. if lords has nothing but give up of his command of trade, what is point of trade game at all, than?
it is well known that rural lords have low income, and i believed tweaks of trade system aimed to correct that in some way. however, i don't see it in reality now. if lords see their large food amount are simply given up, while they have to beg for gold for their even basic needs, and knights run away from them, there is very little incentive to both attempt any trade and be rural lord at all.
i daresay trade system fails that way. than lords could be completely stripped of food command. shouldn't mechanics push both sides to cooperate - or wage conflicts - to move things forward?
They can't be STRIPPED. They can however CHOOSE to give up there control. If the realm is forcing Region Lords to give over control, will they can grow a pair, organise and sort it out, you know CONFLICT.
that rarely works. limited trade distance and other duties that occupy lords mostly leaves all offers unanswered forever. if i could trade myself, i would not engage banker.
I don't understand this. I though that banker trade offers still required someone to do the actual trading and were subject to the same distance restrictions.
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They can't be STRIPPED. They can however CHOOSE to give up there control. If the realm is forcing Region Lords to give over control, will they can grow a pair, organise and sort it out, you know CONFLICT.
I don't understand this. I though that banker trade offers still required someone to do the actual trading and were subject to the same distance restrictions.
If your banker is a lord--and everyone is lord, these days--then the banker can simply take advantage of the fact that they can buy or sell food from their own region without distance restrictions. If they are lord of bankerville, and currently in range of bankerville, and we have the regions of FarAwayFieldlands and FarAwayHungryCity, then the banker can do this:
1. post a buy offer for bankerville
2. take control of the granary of farawayfieldlands and sell food to bankerville
3. post a sell offer for bankerville
4. take control of the granary of farawayhungrycity and buy food from bankerville
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If your banker is a lord--and everyone is lord, these days--then the banker can simply take advantage of the fact that they can buy or sell food from their own region without distance restrictions. If they are lord of bankerville, and currently in range of bankerville, and we have the regions of FarAwayFieldlands and FarAwayHungryCity, then the banker can do this:
1. post a buy offer for bankerville
2. take control of the granary of farawayfieldlands and sell food to bankerville
3. post a sell offer for bankerville
4. take control of the granary of farawayhungrycity and buy food from bankerville
Which he can also do perfectly well with Auto buy/sell orders. The banker having control of regions granaries doesn't affect the distance requirements, which to me was what Stue suggested. The important part is that the orders are up.
Getting back to the original concept
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,5308.0/topicseen.html
Shows how the banker can give the Lords profit while still "controlling" food.
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If your banker is a lord--and everyone is lord, these days--then the banker can simply take advantage of the fact that they can buy or sell food from their own region without distance restrictions. If they are lord of bankerville, and currently in range of bankerville, and we have the regions of FarAwayFieldlands and FarAwayHungryCity, then the banker can do this:
1. post a buy offer for bankerville
2. take control of the granary of farawayfieldlands and sell food to bankerville
3. post a sell offer for bankerville
4. take control of the granary of farawayhungrycity and buy food from bankerville
that process is unnecessarily long. If you can view the order where you are at, then you can. That has nothing to do with what region you are controlling so selling to the banker region isnt needed.
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Wait the idea is for the banker to profit? ::)
I've been doing something wrong, I just wanted to feed my realm and make sure no issue arose concerning it.
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Wait the idea is for the banker to profit? ::)
I've been doing something wrong, I just wanted to feed my realm and make sure no issue arose concerning it.
If your realm is a net food importer, then you are likely not going to make a profit. If your realm is a net food exporter, then you can make plenty of money.
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His point isn't that the food situation is bad in Luria but that he has cracked on Hrok being the law of the land when it comes to food and !@#$ like that, isn't going to fly. I could easily imagine Hrok having the lord banned and war brought on to a realm that got the region if they weren't willing to give the region back.
In D'hara, it certainly doesn't seem the same would ever come close to happening. I blame Republicanism, damn Lords running the place and not respecting the authority they agreed to submit to. (More or less America pre-civilwar with Lords=states).
The lords don't need to have their hands slapped, they know ahead of time what is needed of them for the realm to survive.
The banker doesn't need to go on a power trip, the lords willingly comply. However, if someone really wanted to go solo, especially a rural lord, in a way that would cause starvation to cities... you can be sure that the whole realm would stand against him. D'Hara has this particularity: not only the city lords are more powerful than rural lords, they are also more numerus. Wealth distribution, though, has more to do with population than region type, however, rurals often being just as rich(poor) as the devastated cities, townslands usually being the better off.
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If your realm is a net food importer, then you are likely not going to make a profit. If your realm is a net food exporter, then you can make plenty of money.
I'm just kidding, it's easy to make profit, but to exploit the lords and ladies and lose their trust in me to usher their food around the realm. Eh Virgo just isn't worried about profit, not in that way at least ::) ;D
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